Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 250gr | CutEdge LZR

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Cutting Edge
Bullet Weight:250 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:9.5

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 250gr | CutEdge LZR bullet and 100 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>82%54,708 psi86%2536 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%56,260 psi88%2621 fps99.6%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,853 psi84%2667 fps100%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>84%55,129 psi86%2592 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>92%56,260 psi88%2707 fps100%
Accurate High Country<<locked>>98%55,100 psi86%2812 fps98.8%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%56,101 psi88%2812 fps97.9%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>86%55,593 psi87%2631 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%57,435 psi90%2762 fps99.5%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,824 psi86%2759 fps98.4%
ADI AR 2225ᴾ<<locked>>100%34,867 psi55%2441 fps96.6%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>82%55,056 psi86%2753 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>86%56,362 psi88%2648 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%56,768 psi89%2674 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%57,159 psi90%2759 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>88%54,723 psi86%2733 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>98%56,608 psi89%2749 fps99.4%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,664 psi84%2753 fps99.3%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,633 psi79%2680 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,932 psi69%2625 fps99.9%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>98%54,389 psi85%2818 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,153 psi77%2684 fps98.6%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%57,276 psi90%2667 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,664 psi84%2753 fps99.3%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%56,623 psi89%2664 fps99.8%
Hodgdon H1000ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,685 psi68%2566 fps96.9%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%57,638 psi90%2687 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>90%54,781 psi86%2710 fps99.9%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>88%54,824 psi86%2677 fps99.4%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%54,969 psi86%2703 fps97.9%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%57,638 psi90%2743 fps98.3%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%57,319 psi90%2680 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>82%55,492 psi87%2667 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%43,091 psi68%2664 fps98.3%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>90%55,027 psi86%2753 fps99.8%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,332 psi57%1614 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>82%56,173 psi88%2631 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>84%55,085 psi86%2612 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>82%54,201 psi85%2602 fps99.8%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%57,580 psi90%2697 fps99.8%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>88%54,926 psi86%2641 fps99.8%
IMR 4831<<locked>>94%56,507 psi89%2697 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>82%54,607 psi86%2651 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%56,739 psi89%2694 fps98.2%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%52,228 psi82%2733 fps98.1%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%56,623 psi89%2595 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>84%55,317 psi87%2605 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>90%54,694 psi86%2635 fps100%
Lovex S070<<locked>>92%56,144 psi88%2677 fps99.9%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%44,599 psi70%2530 fps99.5%
Norma 201<<locked>>82%56,492 psi89%2612 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%57,276 psi90%2605 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>84%56,028 psi88%2661 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>92%54,781 psi86%2700 fps99.1%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%57,232 psi90%2835 fps100%
Norma URP<<locked>>92%55,027 psi86%2694 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%56,898 psi89%2687 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%52,562 psi82%2749 fps98.5%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%57,290 psi90%2749 fps100%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%46,601 psi73%2631 fps98.8%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,956 psi58%1654 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%57,711 psi90%2677 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>86%54,128 psi85%2720 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>92%56,057 psi88%2733 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>92%54,679 psi86%2762 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%42,728 psi67%2654 fps99%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%57,188 psi90%2612 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%57,145 psi90%2661 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%55,288 psi87%2677 fps98.5%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>98%55,782 psi87%2736 fps99.4%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%56,623 psi89%2664 fps99.8%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>90%54,694 psi86%2635 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>84%55,317 psi87%2605 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>92%56,144 psi88%2677 fps99.9%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>86%55,288 psi87%2674 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>82%56,434 psi88%2648 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%57,435 psi90%2539 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>86%54,795 psi86%2500 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>90%54,360 psi85%2592 fps99.8%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>98%55,303 psi87%2730 fps99.4%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%57,029 psi89%2539 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%57,174 psi90%2657 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%56,971 psi89%2674 fps98%
Somchem S365<<locked>>94%54,186 psi85%2694 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>98%56,231 psi88%2710 fps99.8%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>82%54,259 psi85%2526 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>82%54,476 psi85%2543 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>88%54,882 psi86%2585 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%57,261 psi90%2687 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,098 psi82%2638 fps99.3%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>84%55,999 psi88%2589 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>92%56,057 psi88%2694 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,666 psi89%2749 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,522 psi90%2828 fps98.6%
Vihtavuori N565ᴾ<<locked>>100%45,382 psi71%2628 fps96.6%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%56,898 psi89%2657 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>90%54,998 psi86%2713 fps99.9%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%45,629 psi72%2746 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%56,623 psi89%2654 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,753 psi89%2710 fps99.4%

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%51,097 psi80%2493 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%49,255 psi77%2520 fps99%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>82%28,848 psi45%2208 fps95.4%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%48,486 psi76%2503 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%37,014 psi58%2402 fps99.3%
Accurate High Country<<locked>>88%38,696 psi61%2523 fps95.1%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>94%45,281 psi71%2638 fps95.6%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%46,311 psi73%2493 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>84%36,158 psi57%2388 fps95%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>92%41,829 psi66%2536 fps95.4%
ADI AR 2225<<locked>>98%32,692 psi51%2385 fps95.5%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%51,213 psi80%2697 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%46,702 psi73%2513 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%49,850 psi78%2579 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%36,376 psi57%2415 fps99.5%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%41,205 psi65%2526 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>84%35,984 psi56%2388 fps95.2%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>88%35,911 psi56%2431 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%26,310 psi41%2192 fps97.9%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>86%28,123 psi44%2254 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>80%27,963 psi44%2293 fps96.4%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>90%35,447 psi56%2421 fps95%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%46,862 psi73%2523 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>88%35,911 psi56%2431 fps95.4%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%41,162 psi65%2415 fps97.7%
Hodgdon H1000<<locked>>98%40,814 psi64%2510 fps96%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%47,311 psi74%2539 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%39,088 psi61%2448 fps97.9%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%42,221 psi66%2467 fps97.3%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>92%44,846 psi70%2543 fps95.7%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>92%43,918 psi69%2526 fps95.4%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%33,750 psi53%2310 fps99.7%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%51,750 psi81%2618 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>94%35,360 psi55%2484 fps95.4%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>80%38,130 psi60%2464 fps97.3%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,108 psi42%1440 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%52,649 psi83%2585 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%48,733 psi76%2523 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%50,836 psi80%2552 fps99.5%
IMR 4350<<locked>>80%37,028 psi58%2352 fps96.7%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%42,670 psi67%2441 fps98.4%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%35,694 psi56%2359 fps99.1%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%51,140 psi80%2602 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>90%44,063 psi69%2490 fps95.7%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>94%42,598 psi67%2566 fps95.8%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%53,345 psi84%2549 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%48,747 psi76%2516 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%40,074 psi63%2395 fps98.9%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%38,319 psi60%2379 fps97.8%
Lovex S071<<locked>>86%28,108 psi44%2192 fps95.1%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%52,953 psi83%2566 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%53,867 psi84%2562 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%49,182 psi77%2566 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>80%36,376 psi57%2375 fps95.1%
Norma MRP<<locked>>84%32,576 psi51%2382 fps95.6%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%36,970 psi58%2398 fps99.2%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%49,574 psi78%2589 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>92%39,494 psi62%2513 fps95.2%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%35,911 psi56%2392 fps97.8%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>92%34,882 psi55%2398 fps95.6%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,586 psi43%1476 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%47,239 psi74%2526 fps99.5%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%43,859 psi69%2572 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%36,840 psi58%2421 fps99.1%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>80%35,824 psi56%2431 fps98.8%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>92%32,343 psi51%2408 fps95.2%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%50,401 psi79%2520 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%44,034 psi69%2474 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>86%40,190 psi63%2425 fps95.2%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>84%34,751 psi54%2365 fps95%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%41,162 psi65%2415 fps97.7%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%40,074 psi63%2395 fps98.9%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%48,747 psi76%2516 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%38,319 psi60%2379 fps97.8%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%45,440 psi71%2530 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%52,939 psi83%2598 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%53,983 psi85%2497 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%45,600 psi71%2382 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%39,160 psi61%2343 fps97.8%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>86%36,912 psi58%2415 fps95.7%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%53,519 psi84%2497 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%44,367 psi70%2474 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>88%43,627 psi68%2464 fps95.3%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%33,489 psi52%2359 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>82%33,098 psi52%2300 fps95.3%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%50,923 psi80%2484 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%51,039 psi80%2500 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%42,395 psi66%2408 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%38,421 psi60%2395 fps99.4%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>88%34,853 psi55%2336 fps95.5%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%49,298 psi77%2500 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%37,826 psi59%2398 fps99.2%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%29,037 psi46%2260 fps97.9%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>92%43,613 psi68%2598 fps95.8%
Vihtavuori N565<<locked>>98%42,366 psi66%2572 fps95.8%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%37,507 psi59%2369 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%39,276 psi62%2451 fps97.9%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>80%23,134 psi36%2172 fps97%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%52,852 psi83%2605 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>88%37,202 psi58%2388 fps95.6%

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This overview compares 100 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 250gr | CutEdge LZR. Norma MRP delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 2,835 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,614 fps to 2,835 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 100 of the 100 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 55–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 250.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:9.5 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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