Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 225gr | CutEdge LZR

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Cutting Edge
Bullet Weight:225 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:10.5

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 225gr | CutEdge LZR bullet and 106 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-17 and ReloadSwiss RS 60.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>84%55,695 psi87%2703 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%53,925 psi85%2733 fps98.9%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,676 psi79%2766 fps99.6%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>86%56,101 psi88%2759 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>94%56,927 psi89%2871 fps100%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%52,982 psi83%2910 fps96.4%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>82%55,521 psi87%2792 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>88%56,811 psi89%2799 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%54,679 psi86%2871 fps98.6%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,156 psi82%2858 fps97%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>84%56,072 psi88%2923 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>88%57,537 psi90%2822 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%54,288 psi85%2795 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%54,288 psi85%2877 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>90%55,680 psi87%2904 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,334 psi90%2907 fps99%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,749 psi80%2854 fps98.2%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%47,935 psi75%2792 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%41,713 psi65%2717 fps99.1%
Alliant Reloder-26ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,027 psi86%2986 fps100%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>82%55,550 psi87%2815 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%46,412 psi73%2779 fps97.2%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%54,607 psi86%2789 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,749 psi80%2854 fps98.2%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>92%57,696 psi90%2825 fps99.5%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%55,085 psi86%2805 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>92%55,869 psi88%2877 fps99.6%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>90%55,840 psi88%2838 fps98.9%
Hodgdon H4831ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,188 psi88%2864 fps97.2%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%54,795 psi86%2841 fps96.9%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>82%56,159 psi88%2799 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%54,476 psi85%2799 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>84%56,463 psi88%2838 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%40,814 psi64%2743 fps96.3%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>92%56,130 psi88%2917 fps99.6%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,085 psi57%1713 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>84%57,305 psi90%2802 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>82%56,971 psi89%2772 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>86%56,217 psi88%2779 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%55,506 psi87%2769 fps99.5%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%55,100 psi86%2808 fps99.3%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>90%56,072 psi88%2805 fps99.5%
IMR 4831<<locked>>96%57,537 psi90%2864 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>84%55,709 psi87%2822 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%54,259 psi85%2799 fps97%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%49,617 psi78%2828 fps96.6%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>82%55,883 psi88%2766 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%54,592 psi86%2720 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>86%56,289 psi88%2772 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>92%55,869 psi88%2799 fps100%
Lovex S070<<locked>>94%57,029 psi89%2838 fps99.7%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%42,003 psi66%2621 fps98.5%
Norma 201<<locked>>84%57,725 psi90%2782 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%54,897 psi86%2730 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>86%57,014 psi89%2831 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>94%55,796 psi87%2861 fps98.6%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%53,940 psi85%2940 fps99.6%
Norma URP<<locked>>94%55,796 psi87%2861 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%54,143 psi85%2805 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%49,777 psi78%2841 fps97%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%54,491 psi85%2861 fps99.9%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%44,150 psi69%2720 fps97.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,811 psi58%1755 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%55,114 psi86%2792 fps99.7%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%55,129 psi86%2861 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>88%55,042 psi86%2894 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>94%56,927 psi89%2900 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>94%55,550 psi87%2930 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%40,582 psi64%2733 fps97.4%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%54,810 psi86%2736 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%54,491 psi85%2782 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>98%56,434 psi88%2838 fps97.9%
Rottweil R 905ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,521 psi89%2894 fps99%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>92%57,696 psi90%2825 fps99.5%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>92%55,869 psi88%2799 fps100%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>82%55,883 psi88%2766 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>86%56,289 psi88%2772 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>94%57,029 psi89%2838 fps99.7%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>88%56,478 psi89%2844 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>82%56,753 psi89%2802 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>84%57,667 psi90%2815 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%55,288 psi87%2664 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>88%56,028 psi88%2667 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>92%55,709 psi87%2753 fps99.5%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,028 psi88%2890 fps98.9%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%54,897 psi86%2664 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>82%56,492 psi89%2785 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%54,781 psi86%2779 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%54,520 psi85%2779 fps96.8%
Somchem S365<<locked>>96%54,737 psi86%2858 fps100%
Somchem S385ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,101 psi89%2867 fps99.4%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>82%55,825 psi87%2648 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%55,129 psi86%2690 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>84%55,579 psi87%2710 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>90%56,159 psi88%2753 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%54,462 psi85%2802 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,240 psi77%2733 fps98.2%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>86%57,203 psi90%2756 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>94%57,058 psi89%2861 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,432 psi84%2861 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,433 psi85%2930 fps97.3%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%54,070 psi85%2772 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>92%55,869 psi88%2877 fps99.6%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%43,004 psi67%2844 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%54,157 psi85%2776 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,751 psi84%2812 fps98.4%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%48,820 psi77%2612 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%47,224 psi74%2625 fps97.9%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>86%31,154 psi49%2388 fps95.2%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%46,296 psi73%2621 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%34,911 psi55%2490 fps98.2%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>98%49,371 psi77%2851 fps95.5%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%52,170 psi82%2743 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%44,367 psi70%2605 fps99.9%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>90%42,003 psi66%2644 fps95.8%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>96%45,585 psi71%2740 fps95.3%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%48,762 psi76%2812 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%44,498 psi70%2625 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%47,645 psi75%2690 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%34,577 psi54%2507 fps98.4%
Alliant Reloder-1768.6 gr80%39,044 psi61%2628 fps99.9%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>90%41,524 psi65%2638 fps95.9%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>92%38,754 psi61%2625 fps95.1%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%24,976 psi39%2264 fps95.9%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>90%30,284 psi47%2431 fps95.1%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>82%28,384 psi44%2421 fps95.1%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%52,011 psi82%2762 fps100%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>96%40,785 psi64%2667 fps95.7%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%44,556 psi70%2635 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>92%38,754 psi61%2625 fps95.1%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%39,465 psi62%2510 fps96.3%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%45,092 psi71%2644 fps99.6%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%37,159 psi58%2539 fps96.3%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%40,277 psi63%2562 fps95.8%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>96%48,820 psi77%2746 fps95.6%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>96%47,848 psi75%2730 fps95.3%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>80%52,736 psi83%2753 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%32,010 psi50%2402 fps98.9%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%49,327 psi77%2736 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>98%38,145 psi60%2677 fps95.1%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>80%36,129 psi57%2546 fps95.4%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%26,905 psi42%1529 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%50,546 psi79%2703 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>80%53,359 psi84%2726 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%46,630 psi73%2635 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%48,863 psi77%2661 fps98.8%
IMR 4350<<locked>>82%37,652 psi59%2493 fps95.8%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%40,988 psi64%2543 fps97.2%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%33,808 psi53%2448 fps98%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%48,878 psi77%2720 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>94%47,718 psi75%2690 fps95.5%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>98%46,485 psi73%2772 fps95.7%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>80%52,170 psi82%2717 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%51,300 psi80%2671 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%46,586 psi73%2628 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%38,363 psi60%2493 fps97.8%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%36,550 psi57%2474 fps96.3%
Lovex S071<<locked>>92%32,227 psi51%2415 fps95.7%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%50,894 psi80%2687 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%51,517 psi81%2684 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%47,021 psi74%2677 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>84%39,639 psi62%2575 fps95%
Norma MRP<<locked>>88%35,476 psi56%2579 fps95.5%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%35,070 psi55%2490 fps98.1%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%47,311 psi74%2700 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>96%43,062 psi67%2713 fps95%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%33,968 psi53%2474 fps96.1%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>96%38,029 psi60%2592 fps95.5%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,456 psi43%1568 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%45,237 psi71%2631 fps98.7%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%51,401 psi81%2805 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 6068.6 gr80%41,553 psi65%2680 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%34,708 psi54%2507 fps97.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 7069.7 gr80%34,098 psi53%2516 fps97.3%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>96%35,099 psi55%2595 fps95%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%48,312 psi76%2638 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%41,945 psi66%2582 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>90%43,511 psi68%2621 fps95%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>90%40,379 psi63%2615 fps95.7%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%39,465 psi62%2510 fps96.3%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%38,363 psi60%2493 fps97.8%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>80%52,170 psi82%2717 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%46,586 psi73%2628 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%36,550 psi57%2474 fps96.3%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%43,149 psi68%2635 fps99.9%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>80%53,069 psi83%2749 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%50,604 psi79%2717 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%51,837 psi81%2618 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%43,642 psi68%2493 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%37,449 psi59%2438 fps96.4%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>90%39,987 psi63%2612 fps95.6%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%51,590 psi81%2621 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>80%52,866 psi83%2733 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%42,467 psi67%2582 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>92%47,616 psi75%2667 fps95.2%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%31,430 psi49%2444 fps99.6%
Somchem S385<<locked>>86%35,897 psi56%2490 fps95.1%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%52,431 psi82%2602 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%48,559 psi76%2602 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%48,979 psi77%2621 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%40,480 psi63%2513 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%36,477 psi57%2490 fps98.4%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>92%37,739 psi59%2523 fps95.3%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%47,152 psi74%2615 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%35,868 psi56%2490 fps98.1%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%27,151 psi43%2333 fps96%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>96%47,427 psi74%2808 fps95.6%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%35,795 psi56%2464 fps99.7%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%37,318 psi58%2543 fps96.3%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>82%23,366 psi37%2280 fps95.3%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%50,488 psi79%2720 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>92%40,495 psi63%2585 fps95.5%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 112 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 225gr | CutEdge LZR. Alliant Reloder-26 delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 2,986 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,713 fps to 2,986 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 112 of the 112 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 52–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 225.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:10.5 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-17, ReloadSwiss RS 60 rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 225gr | CutEdge LZR they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. As outliers, ADI AR 2217, ADI AR 2225, Baschieri & Pellagri 109 burn incompletely and react more sensitively to barrel length and temperature. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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