Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 210gr | Swift Scirocco

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Swift
Bullet Weight:210 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:13.5

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 210gr | Swift Scirocco bullet and 101 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26 and Hodgdon Superformance.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>82%54,882 psi86%2799 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%56,043 psi88%2871 fps99%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,650 psi84%2913 fps99.7%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>84%55,245 psi87%2854 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>92%55,941 psi88%2966 fps100%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%55,680 psi87%3058 fps96.6%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>82%57,464 psi90%2933 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>86%55,187 psi86%2887 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%56,826 psi89%3012 fps98.7%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,549 psi85%3005 fps97.2%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>82%54,360 psi85%3012 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>98%56,956 psi89%3009 fps98.7%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>86%56,014 psi88%2910 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%56,304 psi88%2936 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%56,507 psi89%3022 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>88%54,215 psi85%2992 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>98%56,144 psi88%2999 fps98.6%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,359 psi84%3002 fps98.4%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,314 psi79%2930 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,758 psi69%2854 fps99.3%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>98%53,911 psi84%3074 fps100%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>82%57,609 psi90%2953 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%48,936 psi77%2923 fps97.5%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%57,043 psi89%2930 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,359 psi84%3002 fps98.4%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%56,246 psi88%2917 fps99.2%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%57,377 psi90%2946 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>90%54,418 psi85%2966 fps99.4%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>88%54,215 psi85%2920 fps98.5%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%54,708 psi86%2949 fps96.6%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%57,305 psi90%2989 fps97.1%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%56,985 psi89%2943 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>82%54,824 psi86%2927 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%42,946 psi67%2887 fps96.6%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>90%54,433 psi85%2999 fps99.3%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,463 psi57%1808 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>82%55,666 psi87%2890 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>84%54,650 psi86%2871 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%57,334 psi90%2907 fps99.5%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%57,174 psi90%2949 fps99.3%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>88%54,534 psi85%2890 fps99.3%
IMR 4831<<locked>>94%56,246 psi88%2956 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>82%54,099 psi85%2910 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%56,246 psi88%2936 fps97.1%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%51,866 psi81%2972 fps96.8%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%56,260 psi88%2854 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>84%54,969 psi86%2864 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>90%54,491 psi85%2884 fps99.8%
Lovex S070<<locked>>92%55,753 psi87%2927 fps99.5%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%44,483 psi70%2762 fps98.7%
Norma 201<<locked>>82%56,289 psi88%2874 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%57,043 psi89%2871 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>84%55,593 psi87%2920 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>92%54,302 psi85%2946 fps98.1%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%56,666 psi89%3087 fps99.6%
Norma URP<<locked>>92%54,491 psi85%2949 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%56,376 psi88%2946 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%52,272 psi82%2989 fps97.2%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%56,884 psi89%3005 fps99.9%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%46,572 psi73%2861 fps97.7%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%37,028 psi58%1847 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%57,305 psi90%2933 fps99.8%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%57,435 psi90%3005 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>88%57,624 psi90%3038 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>92%55,796 psi87%2989 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>92%54,273 psi85%3018 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%42,859 psi67%2881 fps97.8%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%56,811 psi89%2874 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%56,913 psi89%2923 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%54,955 psi86%2923 fps97.4%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>98%55,303 psi87%2982 fps98.6%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%56,246 psi88%2917 fps99.2%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>90%54,491 psi85%2884 fps99.8%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>84%54,969 psi86%2864 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>92%55,753 psi87%2927 fps99.5%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>86%54,955 psi86%2933 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>82%56,043 psi88%2907 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%56,942 psi89%2799 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>86%54,462 psi85%2756 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>90%54,157 psi85%2838 fps99.3%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>98%54,824 psi86%2979 fps98.6%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%56,782 psi89%2799 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%56,840 psi89%2920 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%56,782 psi89%2917 fps96.9%
Somchem S365<<locked>>96%57,435 psi90%3002 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>98%56,028 psi88%2959 fps99.2%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>82%57,479 psi90%2779 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%57,319 psi90%2828 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>84%57,566 psi90%2848 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>88%54,607 psi86%2841 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%56,681 psi89%2943 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,677 psi81%2877 fps98.4%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>84%55,724 psi87%2844 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>92%55,666 psi87%2946 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,376 psi88%3009 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,956 psi89%3077 fps97.4%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%56,289 psi88%2907 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>90%54,607 psi86%2966 fps99.4%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%45,542 psi71%2992 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%56,086 psi88%2910 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,188 psi88%2953 fps98.5%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%51,285 psi80%2749 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%49,095 psi77%2759 fps98%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>86%33,272 psi52%2523 fps95.6%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%48,573 psi76%2759 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%37,086 psi58%2628 fps98.4%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>98%51,909 psi81%2995 fps95.7%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%54,099 psi85%2881 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%45,905 psi72%2733 fps99.9%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>88%41,089 psi64%2720 fps95.1%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>96%47,616 psi75%2881 fps95.5%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%50,618 psi79%2953 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>88%41,147 psi64%2720 fps95.3%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%46,369 psi73%2759 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%49,588 psi78%2828 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%36,085 psi57%2635 fps98.5%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%40,915 psi64%2762 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>88%40,698 psi64%2713 fps95.2%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>92%40,886 psi64%2766 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%26,455 psi41%2388 fps96.2%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>90%31,952 psi50%2562 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder-2677.3 gr82%30,197 psi47%2559 fps95.6%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%53,838 psi84%2897 fps100%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>94%40,335 psi63%2749 fps95.1%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%46,673 psi73%2769 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>92%40,886 psi64%2766 fps95.4%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%41,191 psi65%2644 fps96.4%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%47,065 psi74%2782 fps99.6%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%38,986 psi61%2671 fps96.4%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%41,901 psi66%2694 fps95.9%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>96%51,097 psi80%2890 fps95.8%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>96%49,937 psi78%2867 fps95.5%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%33,692 psi53%2530 fps99%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%51,329 psi80%2874 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>98%40,205 psi63%2822 fps95.6%
Hodgdon Superformance77.8 gr80%37,942 psi59%2680 fps95.7%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,122 psi43%1611 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%52,156 psi82%2838 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%48,298 psi76%2766 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%50,604 psi79%2799 fps98.8%
IMR 4350<<locked>>80%36,840 psi58%2569 fps95%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%42,482 psi67%2671 fps97.2%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%35,592 psi56%2579 fps98.1%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%50,879 psi80%2858 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>94%49,647 psi78%2825 fps95.7%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>96%45,484 psi71%2851 fps95%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%53,011 psi83%2805 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%48,602 psi76%2766 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%40,030 psi63%2621 fps97.9%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%38,305 psi60%2602 fps96.4%
Lovex S071<<locked>>90%32,242 psi51%2497 fps95.2%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%52,765 psi83%2822 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%53,432 psi84%2818 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%48,950 psi77%2815 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>84%41,495 psi65%2710 fps95.2%
Norma MRP<<locked>>88%37,347 psi59%2713 fps95.8%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%36,854 psi58%2621 fps98.3%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%49,110 psi77%2835 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>96%45,208 psi71%2858 fps95.3%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%35,766 psi56%2608 fps96.3%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>96%40,277 psi63%2733 fps95.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,688 psi43%1654 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%47,123 psi74%2766 fps98.8%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%53,650 psi84%2949 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%43,453 psi68%2818 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%36,695 psi57%2644 fps98.1%
ReloadSwiss RS 7074.7 gr80%35,694 psi56%2648 fps97.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>96%37,202 psi58%2740 fps95.5%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%50,430 psi79%2776 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%43,976 psi69%2717 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>90%45,324 psi71%2756 fps95.2%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>88%39,668 psi62%2694 fps95%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%41,191 psi65%2644 fps96.4%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%40,030 psi63%2621 fps97.9%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%48,602 psi76%2766 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%38,305 psi60%2602 fps96.4%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%45,150 psi71%2772 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%52,576 psi82%2854 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%53,664 psi84%2753 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%45,382 psi71%2625 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%39,189 psi61%2566 fps96.5%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>90%41,945 psi66%2746 fps95.8%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%53,287 psi84%2749 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%44,237 psi69%2713 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>92%49,806 psi78%2805 fps95.4%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%33,344 psi52%2579 fps99.7%
Somchem S385<<locked>>86%37,898 psi59%2625 fps95.4%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%54,230 psi85%2736 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%50,691 psi79%2740 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%50,734 psi80%2753 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%42,308 psi66%2644 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%38,305 psi60%2621 fps98.5%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>92%39,682 psi62%2654 fps95.6%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%49,066 psi77%2749 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%37,739 psi59%2621 fps98.3%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%29,109 psi46%2467 fps96.4%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>96%49,763 psi78%2953 fps95.9%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%37,391 psi59%2589 fps99.7%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%39,131 psi61%2677 fps96.5%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>82%25,005 psi39%2418 fps96.1%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%52,576 psi82%2861 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>92%42,496 psi67%2717 fps95.7%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 101 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 210gr | Swift Scirocco. Norma MRP delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 3,087 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,808 fps to 3,087 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 101 of the 101 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 57–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 210.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:13.5 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26, Hodgdon Superformance rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 210gr | Swift Scirocco they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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