Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 245gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Lehigh Defense
Bullet Weight:245 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:10.0

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 245gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid bullet and 100 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are Alliant Reloder-26, ReloadSwiss RS 70 and Hodgdon Superformance.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>82%54,534 psi85%2566 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%56,159 psi88%2651 fps99.6%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,635 psi84%2694 fps100%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>84%55,143 psi86%2625 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>92%56,057 psi88%2736 fps100%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%55,985 psi88%2841 fps97.8%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>86%55,579 psi87%2661 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%57,305 psi90%2792 fps99.4%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,868 psi86%2789 fps98.3%
ADI AR 2225ᴾ<<locked>>100%34,722 psi54%2464 fps96.3%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>82%54,955 psi86%2782 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>86%56,333 psi88%2680 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%56,521 psi89%2703 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%56,956 psi89%2789 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>88%54,505 psi85%2762 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>98%56,463 psi88%2779 fps99.4%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,679 psi84%2785 fps99.2%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,705 psi79%2713 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,976 psi69%2654 fps99.8%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>98%54,273 psi85%2848 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,037 psi77%2713 fps98.5%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%57,174 psi90%2697 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,679 psi84%2785 fps99.2%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%56,507 psi89%2694 fps99.7%
Hodgdon H1000ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,685 psi68%2595 fps96.7%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%57,522 psi90%2720 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>90%54,766 psi86%2743 fps99.8%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>88%54,679 psi86%2703 fps99.3%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%55,013 psi86%2736 fps97.7%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%57,638 psi90%2772 fps98.1%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%57,290 psi90%2713 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>82%55,201 psi87%2697 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%42,931 psi67%2687 fps98.1%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>90%54,853 psi86%2782 fps99.8%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,347 psi57%1637 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>82%55,999 psi88%2661 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>84%54,955 psi86%2641 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%57,740 psi90%2684 fps99.9%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%57,537 psi90%2726 fps99.8%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>88%54,868 psi86%2671 fps99.8%
IMR 4831<<locked>>94%56,478 psi89%2730 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>82%54,404 psi85%2680 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%56,608 psi89%2723 fps98.1%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%52,054 psi82%2759 fps98%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%56,492 psi89%2625 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>84%55,129 psi86%2635 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>90%54,578 psi86%2661 fps100%
Lovex S070<<locked>>92%55,956 psi88%2707 fps99.9%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%44,570 psi70%2559 fps99.4%
Norma 201<<locked>>82%56,347 psi88%2641 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%57,101 psi89%2635 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>84%55,767 psi87%2690 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>92%54,679 psi86%2730 fps99%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%57,159 psi90%2864 fps100%
Norma URP<<locked>>92%54,824 psi86%2723 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%56,753 psi89%2717 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%52,533 psi82%2779 fps98.4%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%57,174 psi90%2779 fps100%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%46,514 psi73%2657 fps98.7%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,956 psi58%1677 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%57,551 psi90%2707 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%57,711 psi90%2769 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>86%54,172 psi85%2753 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>92%55,956 psi88%2762 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>92%54,549 psi85%2792 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%42,772 psi67%2684 fps98.9%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%57,000 psi89%2641 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%57,058 psi89%2690 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%55,259 psi87%2707 fps98.4%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>98%55,651 psi87%2762 fps99.4%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%56,507 psi89%2694 fps99.7%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>90%54,578 psi86%2661 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>84%55,129 psi86%2635 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>92%55,956 psi88%2707 fps99.9%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>86%55,172 psi86%2703 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>82%56,159 psi88%2674 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%57,392 psi90%2572 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>86%54,868 psi86%2533 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>90%54,375 psi85%2621 fps99.8%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>98%55,158 psi86%2759 fps99.3%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%56,884 psi89%2569 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%57,130 psi90%2687 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%56,985 psi89%2703 fps97.9%
Somchem S365<<locked>>94%54,157 psi85%2723 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>98%56,072 psi88%2736 fps99.7%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%57,638 psi90%2598 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>82%54,317 psi85%2572 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>88%54,795 psi86%2615 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%57,058 psi89%2717 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,938 psi81%2667 fps99.2%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>84%55,970 psi88%2618 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>92%55,985 psi88%2723 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,492 psi89%2779 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,450 psi90%2858 fps98.5%
Vihtavuori N565ᴾ<<locked>>100%45,339 psi71%2657 fps96.4%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%56,724 psi89%2684 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>90%54,984 psi86%2746 fps99.9%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%45,571 psi71%2776 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%56,507 psi89%2684 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,492 psi89%2736 fps99.3%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%51,010 psi80%2523 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%49,255 psi77%2549 fps98.9%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>82%28,732 psi45%2231 fps95.1%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%48,414 psi76%2533 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%36,883 psi58%2428 fps99.2%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>94%45,107 psi71%2664 fps95.3%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%46,064 psi72%2520 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>86%38,479 psi60%2467 fps95.7%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>92%41,800 psi66%2559 fps95.2%
ADI AR 2225<<locked>>98%32,605 psi51%2405 fps95.2%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%51,184 psi80%2726 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%46,615 psi73%2543 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%49,719 psi78%2608 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%36,187 psi57%2438 fps99.4%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%41,017 psi64%2552 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>86%38,203 psi60%2464 fps95.8%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>88%35,824 psi56%2454 fps95.1%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%26,252 psi41%2215 fps97.7%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>86%27,963 psi44%2274 fps95%
Alliant Reloder-2668.7 gr80%27,891 psi44%2316 fps96.1%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>92%37,739 psi59%2497 fps95.7%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%46,688 psi73%2552 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>88%35,824 psi56%2454 fps95.1%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%41,089 psi64%2438 fps97.6%
Hodgdon H1000<<locked>>98%40,857 psi64%2536 fps95.8%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%47,166 psi74%2569 fps99.9%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%39,117 psi61%2474 fps97.7%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%42,119 psi66%2493 fps97.2%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>92%44,802 psi70%2569 fps95.5%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>92%43,903 psi69%2552 fps95.3%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%33,663 psi53%2336 fps99.6%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%51,750 psi81%2651 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>94%35,331 psi55%2507 fps95.2%
Hodgdon Superformance70.9 gr80%38,014 psi60%2487 fps97.1%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,079 psi42%1460 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%52,518 psi82%2615 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%48,472 psi76%2549 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%50,705 psi79%2582 fps99.5%
IMR 4350<<locked>>80%36,927 psi58%2379 fps96.5%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%42,757 psi67%2470 fps98.3%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%35,578 psi56%2382 fps99%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%50,995 psi80%2631 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>90%43,932 psi69%2516 fps95.5%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>94%42,583 psi67%2592 fps95.7%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%53,258 psi83%2582 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%48,689 psi76%2546 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%40,001 psi63%2421 fps98.8%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%38,218 psi60%2405 fps97.6%
Lovex S071<<locked>>88%29,994 psi47%2264 fps95.7%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%52,881 psi83%2595 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%53,780 psi84%2592 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%49,066 psi77%2592 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>82%38,740 psi61%2454 fps95.7%
Norma MRP<<locked>>84%32,503 psi51%2405 fps95.4%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%36,869 psi58%2421 fps99.1%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%49,501 psi78%2618 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>92%39,450 psi62%2539 fps95%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%35,752 psi56%2415 fps97.6%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>92%34,795 psi55%2425 fps95.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,702 psi43%1499 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%47,268 psi74%2556 fps99.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%53,998 psi85%2720 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%43,642 psi68%2598 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%36,811 psi58%2448 fps99%
ReloadSwiss RS 7068.1 gr80%35,795 psi56%2457 fps98.6%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>94%34,534 psi54%2490 fps96.1%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%50,357 psi79%2552 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%43,918 psi69%2500 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>88%42,714 psi67%2500 fps95.8%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>86%37,217 psi58%2448 fps95.7%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%41,089 psi64%2438 fps97.6%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%40,001 psi63%2421 fps98.8%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%48,689 psi76%2546 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%38,218 psi60%2405 fps97.6%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%45,281 psi71%2559 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%52,765 psi83%2628 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%53,751 psi84%2526 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%45,397 psi71%2408 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%39,218 psi61%2372 fps97.7%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>86%36,869 psi58%2441 fps95.5%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%53,447 psi84%2526 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%44,280 psi69%2500 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>88%43,613 psi68%2493 fps95.1%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%33,373 psi52%2385 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>82%32,982 psi52%2323 fps95%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%50,705 psi79%2510 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%50,923 psi80%2530 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%42,308 psi66%2434 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%38,290 psi60%2421 fps99.3%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>88%34,766 psi54%2359 fps95.3%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%49,168 psi77%2526 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%37,710 psi59%2425 fps99.1%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%28,950 psi45%2283 fps97.7%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>92%43,540 psi68%2628 fps95.6%
Vihtavuori N565<<locked>>98%42,192 psi66%2598 fps95.5%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%37,463 psi59%2395 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%39,276 psi62%2480 fps97.8%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>80%23,047 psi36%2188 fps96.7%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%52,823 psi83%2635 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>88%37,072 psi58%2415 fps95.3%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 106 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 245gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid. Norma MRP delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 2,864 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,637 fps to 2,864 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 106 of the 106 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 47–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 245.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:10.0 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. Alliant Reloder-26, ReloadSwiss RS 70, Hodgdon Superformance rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 245gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. As outliers, ADI AR 2217, Norma 217, ReloadSwiss RS 80 burn incompletely and react more sensitively to barrel length and temperature. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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