Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 231gr | Peregrine VLR5 (VLR-5)

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Peregrine
Bullet Weight:231 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:12.0

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 231gr | Peregrine VLR5 (VLR-5) bullet and 100 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are Alliant Reloder-26, Accurate High Country and ReloadSwiss RS 70.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>82%55,201 psi87%2671 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%56,681 psi89%2756 fps99.5%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,549 psi85%2802 fps100%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>84%55,651 psi87%2726 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>92%56,768 psi89%2844 fps100%
Accurate High Country<<locked>>98%55,999 psi88%2953 fps98.6%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%56,956 psi89%2953 fps97.7%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>86%56,115 psi88%2769 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>96%54,331 psi85%2844 fps98.9%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,506 psi87%2897 fps98.2%
ADI AR 2225ᴾ<<locked>>100%35,375 psi55%2559 fps96.2%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>82%55,637 psi87%2890 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>96%54,360 psi85%2841 fps98.9%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>86%56,956 psi89%2789 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%57,232 psi90%2812 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%57,696 psi90%2900 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>88%55,419 psi87%2871 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>98%57,203 psi90%2887 fps99.3%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,462 psi85%2890 fps99.1%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,532 psi81%2818 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%44,527 psi70%2753 fps99.8%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>98%55,245 psi87%2956 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,893 psi78%2818 fps98.4%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%57,653 psi90%2802 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,462 psi85%2890 fps99.1%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%57,000 psi89%2799 fps99.6%
Hodgdon H1000ᴾ<<locked>>100%44,266 psi69%2694 fps96.5%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>84%54,462 psi85%2772 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>90%55,405 psi87%2848 fps99.8%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>88%55,347 psi87%2812 fps99.2%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%55,811 psi87%2841 fps97.7%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>98%54,534 psi85%2822 fps97.4%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>94%54,346 psi85%2772 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>82%56,014 psi88%2805 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%43,714 psi69%2795 fps98%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>90%55,709 psi87%2887 fps99.7%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,332 psi57%1709 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>82%56,478 psi89%2766 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>84%55,622 psi87%2749 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>82%54,563 psi86%2736 fps99.7%
IMR 4350<<locked>>92%54,679 psi86%2782 fps99.5%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>88%55,448 psi87%2776 fps99.7%
IMR 4831<<locked>>94%57,261 psi90%2838 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>82%55,071 psi86%2789 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%57,348 psi90%2828 fps98%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%52,982 psi83%2871 fps97.9%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%57,087 psi89%2733 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>84%55,579 psi87%2740 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>90%55,317 psi87%2769 fps100%
Lovex S070<<locked>>92%56,652 psi89%2812 fps99.9%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%45,150 psi71%2657 fps99.3%
Norma 201<<locked>>82%56,985 psi89%2749 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%57,711 psi90%2740 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>84%56,492 psi89%2799 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>92%55,492 psi87%2838 fps98.9%
Norma MRP<<locked>>98%54,012 psi85%2917 fps99.8%
Norma URP<<locked>>92%55,608 psi87%2831 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%57,421 psi90%2825 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%53,403 psi84%2887 fps98.3%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>92%54,418 psi85%2838 fps100%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%47,413 psi74%2762 fps98.7%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%37,072 psi58%1752 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>84%54,389 psi85%2762 fps99.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>86%54,868 psi86%2861 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>92%56,927 psi89%2874 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>92%55,317 psi87%2904 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,598 psi68%2789 fps98.9%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%57,551 psi90%2749 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%57,725 psi90%2799 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%56,028 psi88%2815 fps98.3%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>98%56,521 psi89%2874 fps99.3%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%57,000 psi89%2799 fps99.6%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>90%55,317 psi87%2769 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>84%55,579 psi87%2740 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>92%56,652 psi89%2812 fps99.9%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>86%55,883 psi88%2812 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>82%56,811 psi89%2782 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>86%55,347 psi87%2635 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>90%54,911 psi86%2723 fps99.7%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>98%56,043 psi88%2871 fps99.3%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%57,450 psi90%2674 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%57,653 psi90%2792 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%57,711 psi90%2808 fps97.9%
Somchem S365<<locked>>94%54,984 psi86%2831 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>98%56,971 psi89%2844 fps99.7%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>82%54,636 psi86%2661 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>82%54,839 psi86%2677 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>88%55,448 psi87%2720 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%57,696 psi90%2822 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,707 psi83%2769 fps99.1%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>84%56,463 psi88%2720 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>92%56,710 psi89%2831 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,609 psi90%2890 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>98%54,360 psi85%2907 fps97.8%
Vihtavuori N565ᴾ<<locked>>100%46,108 psi72%2756 fps96.3%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%57,638 psi90%2792 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>90%55,608 psi87%2851 fps99.8%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%46,673 psi73%2884 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%57,029 psi89%2789 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,319 psi90%2844 fps99.2%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%51,648 psi81%2625 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%49,719 psi78%2648 fps98.8%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>84%31,343 psi49%2372 fps95.9%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%48,979 psi77%2635 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%37,420 psi59%2520 fps99.1%
Accurate High Country79.6 gr90%42,264 psi66%2710 fps95.7%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>94%45,861 psi72%2766 fps95.2%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%46,601 psi73%2621 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>86%39,073 psi61%2566 fps95.5%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>92%42,409 psi66%2661 fps95.1%
ADI AR 2225<<locked>>98%33,156 psi52%2497 fps95%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%51,808 psi81%2835 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>86%39,044 psi61%2562 fps95.6%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%47,079 psi74%2644 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%50,314 psi79%2710 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%36,637 psi57%2536 fps99.3%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%41,640 psi65%2654 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>86%38,638 psi61%2556 fps95.6%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>90%38,856 psi61%2608 fps95.8%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%26,614 psi42%2297 fps97.5%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>88%30,211 psi47%2415 fps95.8%
Alliant Reloder-2672.8 gr80%28,268 psi44%2402 fps95.8%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>92%38,334 psi60%2595 fps95.5%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%47,239 psi74%2654 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>90%38,856 psi61%2608 fps95.8%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%41,539 psi65%2536 fps97.4%
Hodgdon H1000<<locked>>98%41,365 psi65%2631 fps95.6%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%47,587 psi75%2667 fps99.9%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%39,508 psi62%2569 fps97.5%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%42,569 psi67%2592 fps97%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>92%45,411 psi71%2671 fps95.4%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>92%44,512 psi70%2651 fps95.1%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%34,171 psi54%2428 fps99.6%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%52,286 psi82%2753 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>94%35,926 psi56%2605 fps95%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>80%38,421 psi60%2582 fps96.9%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,108 psi42%1526 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%52,953 psi83%2717 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%49,008 psi77%2651 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%51,184 psi80%2684 fps99.4%
IMR 4350<<locked>>80%37,275 psi58%2467 fps96.2%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%43,163 psi68%2569 fps98.2%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%35,984 psi56%2477 fps98.9%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%51,634 psi81%2736 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>90%44,425 psi70%2615 fps95.3%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>94%43,265 psi68%2694 fps95.5%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%53,592 psi84%2684 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%49,066 psi77%2644 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%40,466 psi63%2516 fps98.7%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%38,609 psi61%2497 fps97.4%
Lovex S071<<locked>>88%30,458 psi48%2349 fps95.5%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%53,417 psi84%2700 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%54,302 psi85%2697 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%49,632 psi78%2697 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>82%39,247 psi62%2549 fps95.5%
Norma MRP<<locked>>84%32,967 psi52%2497 fps95.1%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%37,318 psi58%2516 fps99%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%50,111 psi79%2723 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>94%42,902 psi67%2697 fps95.8%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%36,245 psi57%2510 fps97.4%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>92%35,404 psi55%2516 fps95.2%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,688 psi43%1565 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%47,732 psi75%2654 fps99.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%44,338 psi69%2703 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%37,275 psi58%2539 fps98.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 7072.2 gr80%36,245 psi57%2552 fps98.5%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>94%35,128 psi55%2585 fps95.9%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%50,792 psi80%2654 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%44,382 psi70%2602 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>88%43,265 psi68%2598 fps95.6%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>86%37,695 psi59%2539 fps95.5%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%41,539 psi65%2536 fps97.4%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%40,466 psi63%2516 fps98.7%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%49,066 psi77%2644 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%38,609 psi61%2497 fps97.4%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%45,861 psi72%2657 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%53,345 psi84%2733 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%45,934 psi72%2507 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%39,537 psi62%2464 fps97.5%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>86%37,347 psi59%2533 fps95.3%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%53,983 psi85%2628 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%44,802 psi70%2602 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>90%47,195 psi74%2644 fps95.8%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%33,779 psi53%2477 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>84%35,723 psi56%2467 fps95.7%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%51,285 psi80%2615 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%51,416 psi81%2631 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%42,757 psi67%2533 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%38,827 psi61%2516 fps99.2%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>88%35,186 psi55%2448 fps95%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%49,588 psi78%2628 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%38,101 psi60%2516 fps99%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%29,298 psi46%2365 fps97.5%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>92%44,164 psi69%2726 fps95.4%
Vihtavuori N565<<locked>>98%43,062 psi67%2700 fps95.4%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%37,855 psi59%2487 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%39,668 psi62%2572 fps97.6%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>80%23,366 psi37%2270 fps96.3%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%53,476 psi84%2740 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>88%37,536 psi59%2503 fps95.1%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 100 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 231gr | Peregrine VLR5 (VLR-5). Alliant Reloder-26 delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 2,956 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,709 fps to 2,956 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 100 of the 100 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 55–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 231.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:12.0 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. Alliant Reloder-26, Accurate High Country, ReloadSwiss RS 70 rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 231gr | Peregrine VLR5 (VLR-5) they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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