Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Magnum + .338 | 230gr | Winchester FailSafe
Recommended Powder(s): ADI AR 2209, Alliant Reloder-19, Norma MRP, Rottweil R 905, Somchem S385
Load Specifications
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Bullet: | .338 | 230gr | Winchester FailSafe |
Bullet Weight: | 230gr | 14.9g |
Bullet Diameter: | 0.338" | 8.59mm |
Bullet Length: | 1.000" | 25.4mm |
Caliber: | 8.5 mm Messner Magnum load data |
Case Length (l3): | 2.508" | 63.7mm |
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.): | 3.386" | 86.0mm |
Seated Depth: | 0.122" | 3.1mm |
Shank Seated Depth: | 0.122" | 3.1mm |
Case Capacity: | 106.0 Grains of Water | 6.88 cm³ |
Primer Size: | Large Rifle Magnum (LRM) |
Max. allowed Pressure: | 63817 psi | 4400 bar |
LID: | LID_B6647_C1203 |
Last updated: | 2025-01-01 |
Load data for 136 loads in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Magnum with .338 | 230gr | Winchester FailSafe bullet and 68 powders such as ADI AR 2209, Alliant Reloder-19, Norma MRP, Rottweil R 905, Somchem S385. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above.
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Powder | Charge | FR | MaxP | % | V(0) | z |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ADI AR 2209 👍 | <<locked>> | 92% | 56826 | 89% | **64 | 99% |
ADI AR 2213 | <<locked>> | 96% | 57116 | 90% | **07 | 99% |
ADI AR 2217 | <<locked>> | 97% | 43178 | 68% | **54 | 96% |
ADI AR 2225 | <<locked>> | 97% | 38769 | 61% | **12 | 98% |
Accurate 2700 | <<locked>> | 83% | 57116 | 90% | **40 | 100% |
Accurate 3100 | <<locked>> | 96% | 57217 | 90% | **15 | 100% |
Accurate 4350 | <<locked>> | 87% | 57305 | 90% | **31 | 100% |
Accurate MAGPRO | <<locked>> | 96% | 57246 | 90% | **27 | 97% |
Alliant Reloder-16 | <<locked>> | 89% | 57217 | 90% | **71 | 100% |
Alliant Reloder-17 | <<locked>> | 84% | 56942 | 89% | **67 | 100% |
Alliant Reloder-19 👍 | <<locked>> | 93% | 56956 | 89% | **64 | 99% |
Alliant Reloder-22 | <<locked>> | 96% | 56884 | 89% | **97 | 99% |
Alliant Reloder-23 | <<locked>> | 97% | 56565 | 89% | **54 | 100% |
Alliant Reloder-25 | <<locked>> | 97% | 48530 | 76% | **92 | 100% |
Alliant Reloder-26 | <<locked>> | 93% | 57101 | 89% | **49 | 100% |
Hodgdon H1000 | <<locked>> | 97% | 43178 | 68% | **54 | 96% |
Hodgdon H414 | <<locked>> | 83% | 57014 | 89% | **58 | 100% |
Hodgdon H4350 | <<locked>> | 90% | 57043 | 89% | **05 | 100% |
Hodgdon H4831 | <<locked>> | 97% | 54940 | 86% | **18 | 98% |
Hodgdon H4831 SC | <<locked>> | 94% | 57276 | 90% | **48 | 98% |
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V | <<locked>> | 90% | 57232 | 90% | **85 | 100% |
Hodgdon LVR | <<locked>> | 86% | 57188 | 90% | **28 | 100% |
Hodgdon Retumbo | <<locked>> | 97% | 38769 | 61% | **12 | 98% |
Hodgdon Superperformance | <<locked>> | 86% | 56942 | 89% | **84 | 100% |
Hodgdon TrailBoss | <<locked>> | 96% | 35331 | 55% | **16 | 100% |
IMR 4166 Enduron | <<locked>> | 84% | 56956 | 89% | **66 | 100% |
IMR 4350 | <<locked>> | 89% | 57406 | 90% | **05 | 100% |
IMR 4451 Enduron | <<locked>> | 85% | 56971 | 89% | **92 | 100% |
IMR 4831 | <<locked>> | 92% | 57174 | 90% | **15 | 100% |
IMR 4955 Enduron | <<locked>> | 95% | 57290 | 90% | **22 | 98% |
IMR 7828 SSC | <<locked>> | 95% | 57348 | 90% | **27 | 99% |
[IMR 8133 Enduron]* | <<locked>> | 97% | 34954 | 55% | **26 | 93% |
Lovex S065 | <<locked>> | 86% | 57174 | 90% | **82 | 100% |
Lovex S070 | <<locked>> | 88% | 57406 | 90% | **12 | 100% |
Lovex S071 | <<locked>> | 97% | 49792 | 78% | **10 | 100% |
Norma 204 | <<locked>> | 88% | 57261 | 90% | **44 | 99% |
Norma 217 | <<locked>> | 97% | 34751 | 54% | **46 | 95% |
Norma MRP 👍 | <<locked>> | 94% | 57159 | 90% | **33 | 100% |
Norma URP | <<locked>> | 88% | 57217 | 90% | **38 | 100% |
Ramshot Hunter | <<locked>> | 88% | 56753 | 89% | **51 | 100% |
Ramshot Magnum | <<locked>> | 96% | 57232 | 90% | **94 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 14 | <<locked>> | 96% | 36201 | 57% | **59 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 60 | <<locked>> | 85% | 57392 | 90% | **94 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 62 | <<locked>> | 87% | 57014 | 89% | **44 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 70 | <<locked>> | 88% | 57363 | 90% | **07 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 76 | <<locked>> | 97% | 47485 | 74% | **35 | 100% |
[ReloadSwiss RS 80]* | <<locked>> | 97% | 43004 | 67% | **13 | 94% |
Rottweil R 904 | <<locked>> | 92% | 57014 | 89% | **15 | 99% |
Rottweil R 905 👍 | <<locked>> | 93% | 57276 | 90% | **64 | 99% |
Rottweil R 907 | <<locked>> | 86% | 57217 | 90% | **92 | 100% |
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000 | <<locked>> | 83% | 57363 | 90% | **54 | 100% |
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000 | <<locked>> | 87% | 56898 | 89% | **40 | 100% |
Shooters World Long Rifle | <<locked>> | 86% | 57174 | 90% | **82 | 100% |
Somchem S361 | <<locked>> | 91% | 57348 | 90% | **92 | 98% |
Somchem S365 | <<locked>> | 90% | 56840 | 89% | **31 | 100% |
Somchem S385 👍 | <<locked>> | 93% | 57435 | 90% | **28 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N135 | <<locked>> | 84% | 56956 | 89% | **74 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N150 | <<locked>> | 88% | 57014 | 89% | **30 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N160 | <<locked>> | 85% | 57145 | 90% | **95 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N165 | <<locked>> | 97% | 54520 | 85% | **82 | 99% |
Vihtavuori N550 | <<locked>> | 85% | 56942 | 89% | **31 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N555 | <<locked>> | 94% | 57334 | 90% | **54 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N560 | <<locked>> | 96% | 57406 | 90% | **33 | 98% |
Vihtavuori N565 | <<locked>> | 97% | 50821 | 80% | **08 | 97% |
[Vihtavuori N568]* | <<locked>> | 97% | 44382 | 70% | **30 | 94% |
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL | <<locked>> | 87% | 57159 | 90% | **66 | 100% |
Winchester 760 | <<locked>> | 83% | 57014 | 89% | **58 | 100% |
Winchester StaBALL HD | <<locked>> | 97% | 53098 | 83% | **27 | 100% |
Max Load - Barrel Length: 23.60''
Powder | Charge | FR | MaxP | % | V(0) | z |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ADI AR 2209 | <<locked>> | 81% | 39102 | 61% | **36 | 96% |
[ADI AR 2213]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 34983 | 55% | **64 | 92% |
[ADI AR 2217]* | <<locked>> | 87% | 31894 | 50% | **72 | 90% |
[ADI AR 2225]* | <<locked>> | 85% | 26745 | 42% | **60 | 90% |
Accurate 2700 | <<locked>> | 81% | 53142 | 83% | **84 | 99% |
Accurate 3100 | <<locked>> | 81% | 35172 | 55% | **21 | 97% |
Accurate 4350 | <<locked>> | 81% | 47065 | 74% | **71 | 100% |
[Accurate MAGPRO]* | <<locked>> | 83% | 35592 | 56% | **00 | 90% |
Alliant Reloder-16 | <<locked>> | 81% | 44657 | 70% | **67 | 100% |
Alliant Reloder-17 | <<locked>> | 81% | 51764 | 81% | **92 | 100% |
Alliant Reloder-19 | <<locked>> | 81% | 39218 | 61% | **43 | 96% |
[Alliant Reloder-22]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 34896 | 55% | **74 | 94% |
Alliant Reloder-23 | <<locked>> | 81% | 33678 | 53% | **44 | 99% |
Alliant Reloder-25 | <<locked>> | 81% | 29414 | 46% | **52 | 95% |
Alliant Reloder-26 | <<locked>> | 81% | 36709 | 58% | **82 | 99% |
[Hodgdon H1000]* | <<locked>> | 87% | 31894 | 50% | **72 | 90% |
Hodgdon H414 | <<locked>> | 81% | 52576 | 82% | **82 | 100% |
Hodgdon H4350 | <<locked>> | 81% | 42859 | 67% | **66 | 98% |
[Hodgdon H4831]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 32822 | 51% | **62 | 90% |
[Hodgdon H4831 SC]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 36666 | 57% | **67 | 92% |
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V | <<locked>> | 81% | 42293 | 66% | **56 | 100% |
Hodgdon LVR | <<locked>> | 81% | 49255 | 77% | **10 | 100% |
[Hodgdon Retumbo]* | <<locked>> | 85% | 26745 | 42% | **60 | 90% |
Hodgdon Superperformance | <<locked>> | 81% | 48066 | 75% | **36 | 99% |
Hodgdon TrailBoss | <<locked>> | 89% | 31734 | 50% | **44 | 100% |
IMR 4166 Enduron | <<locked>> | 81% | 52431 | 82% | **90 | 100% |
IMR 4350 | <<locked>> | 81% | 45063 | 71% | **02 | 98% |
IMR 4451 Enduron | <<locked>> | 81% | 51227 | 80% | **00 | 99% |
IMR 4831 | <<locked>> | 81% | 40509 | 63% | **33 | 100% |
[IMR 4955 Enduron]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 36970 | 58% | **34 | 93% |
[IMR 7828 SSC]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 35592 | 56% | **90 | 92% |
[IMR 8133 Enduron]* | <<locked>> | 93% | 31314 | 49% | **18 | 90% |
Lovex S065 | <<locked>> | 81% | 48660 | 76% | **44 | 100% |
Lovex S070 | <<locked>> | 81% | 46760 | 73% | **35 | 99% |
Lovex S071 | <<locked>> | 81% | 30226 | 47% | **97 | 95% |
Norma 204 | <<locked>> | 81% | 44962 | 70% | **41 | 97% |
[Norma 217]* | <<locked>> | 89% | 27180 | 43% | **16 | 90% |
Norma MRP | <<locked>> | 81% | 36245 | 57% | **39 | 96% |
Norma URP | <<locked>> | 81% | 45977 | 72% | **57 | 100% |
Ramshot Hunter | <<locked>> | 81% | 44686 | 70% | **44 | 99% |
[Ramshot Magnum]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 32126 | 50% | **02 | 94% |
ReloadSwiss RS 14 | <<locked>> | 85% | 30806 | 48% | **47 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 60 | <<locked>> | 81% | 49879 | 78% | **85 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 62 | <<locked>> | 81% | 46775 | 73% | **84 | 100% |
ReloadSwiss RS 70 | <<locked>> | 81% | 44802 | 70% | **00 | 100% |
[ReloadSwiss RS 76]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 27731 | 43% | **23 | 91% |
[ReloadSwiss RS 80]* | <<locked>> | 91% | 34418 | 54% | **16 | 90% |
Rottweil R 904 | <<locked>> | 81% | 40350 | 63% | **20 | 95% |
Rottweil R 905 | <<locked>> | 81% | 38435 | 60% | **23 | 96% |
Rottweil R 907 | <<locked>> | 81% | 49545 | 78% | **71 | 99% |
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000 | <<locked>> | 81% | 53911 | 84% | **05 | 100% |
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000 | <<locked>> | 81% | 47732 | 75% | **95 | 99% |
Shooters World Long Rifle | <<locked>> | 81% | 48660 | 76% | **44 | 100% |
[Somchem S361]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 41234 | 65% | **13 | 94% |
Somchem S365 | <<locked>> | 81% | 42888 | 67% | **15 | 100% |
Somchem S385 | <<locked>> | 81% | 39088 | 61% | **13 | 97% |
Vihtavuori N135 | <<locked>> | 81% | 52388 | 82% | **15 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N150 | <<locked>> | 81% | 46296 | 73% | **66 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N160 | <<locked>> | 81% | 49487 | 78% | **77 | 100% |
[Vihtavuori N165]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 32764 | 51% | **62 | 94% |
Vihtavuori N550 | <<locked>> | 81% | 49850 | 78% | **17 | 100% |
Vihtavuori N555 | <<locked>> | 81% | 37710 | 59% | **23 | 99% |
[Vihtavuori N560]* | <<locked>> | 81% | 34853 | 55% | **84 | 91% |
[Vihtavuori N565]* | <<locked>> | 82% | 31212 | 49% | **88 | 90% |
[Vihtavuori N568]* | <<locked>> | 90% | 35621 | 56% | **26 | 90% |
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL | <<locked>> | 81% | 46412 | 73% | **08 | 100% |
Winchester 760 | <<locked>> | 81% | 52576 | 82% | **82 | 100% |
Winchester StaBALL HD | <<locked>> | 81% | 28993 | 45% | **61 | 100% |
Start Load - Barrel Length: 23.60''
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FR ... fill rate of the cartridge in percent
MaxP ... max. pressure of load in psi or bar
% ... max. pressure of load in percent of the maximum allowed pressure for this caliber
V(0) ... muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) or meters per second (m/s)
z ... powder burnt in percent
[...] *... not dangerous but load has suboptimal powder burnt with possible characteristics such as extensive muzzle flash or inaccurate loads.
[...] ²... fill rate low - you might want to consider using a filler to ensure proper ignition.
[...] ᴾ... possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.
👍 ... recommended powder/load for this caliber and bullet combination based on its ballistic performance.
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