Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 230gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Lehigh Defense
Bullet Weight:230 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:11.5

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 230gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid bullet and 102 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26 and Hodgdon Superformance.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>82%54,085 psi85%2657 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%55,811 psi87%2740 fps99.4%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,200 psi83%2782 fps99.9%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>84%54,708 psi86%2717 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>92%55,738 psi87%2831 fps100%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%55,709 psi87%2933 fps97.3%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>82%57,435 psi90%2795 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>86%55,143 psi86%2753 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%56,826 psi89%2881 fps99.1%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,346 psi85%2877 fps97.9%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>82%54,549 psi85%2877 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>98%57,014 psi89%2877 fps99.1%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>86%55,970 psi88%2776 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%56,188 psi88%2799 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%56,681 psi89%2887 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>88%54,143 psi85%2854 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>98%56,144 psi88%2871 fps99.1%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,171 psi83%2871 fps98.9%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,183 psi79%2802 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,627 psi68%2736 fps99.6%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>98%53,824 psi84%2940 fps100%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>82%57,580 psi90%2818 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%48,689 psi76%2795 fps98.1%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%56,608 psi89%2789 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,171 psi83%2871 fps98.9%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%56,072 psi88%2785 fps99.5%
Hodgdon H1000ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,308 psi68%2671 fps96%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%57,130 psi90%2812 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>90%54,244 psi85%2831 fps99.7%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>88%54,215 psi85%2792 fps99%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%54,650 psi86%2822 fps97.3%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%57,130 psi90%2858 fps97.7%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%56,927 psi89%2808 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>82%54,955 psi86%2792 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%42,699 psi67%2769 fps97.5%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>90%54,592 psi86%2871 fps99.6%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,303 psi57%1706 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>82%55,666 psi87%2756 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>84%54,636 psi86%2736 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%57,406 psi90%2776 fps99.8%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%57,159 psi90%2818 fps99.6%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>88%54,346 psi85%2759 fps99.6%
IMR 4831<<locked>>94%56,086 psi88%2822 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>84%57,682 psi90%2825 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%56,188 psi88%2808 fps97.7%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%51,808 psi81%2848 fps97.5%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%56,318 psi88%2720 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>84%54,781 psi86%2726 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>90%54,433 psi85%2756 fps100%
Lovex S070<<locked>>92%55,535 psi87%2795 fps99.8%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%44,106 psi69%2638 fps99.1%
Norma 201<<locked>>82%55,912 psi88%2736 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%56,826 psi89%2730 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>84%55,463 psi87%2785 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>92%54,433 psi85%2822 fps98.7%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%56,797 psi89%2956 fps99.9%
Norma URP<<locked>>92%54,389 psi85%2815 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%56,449 psi88%2812 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%52,011 psi82%2864 fps97.9%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%56,985 psi89%2874 fps100%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%46,383 psi73%2743 fps98.3%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%37,043 psi58%1749 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%57,029 psi89%2799 fps99.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%57,290 psi90%2864 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>88%57,638 psi90%2897 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>92%55,521 psi87%2854 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>92%54,244 psi85%2887 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%42,496 psi67%2762 fps98.4%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%56,739 psi89%2740 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%56,681 psi89%2785 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%55,013 psi86%2799 fps98%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>98%55,201 psi87%2854 fps99.1%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%56,072 psi88%2785 fps99.5%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>90%54,433 psi85%2756 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>84%54,781 psi86%2726 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>92%55,535 psi87%2795 fps99.8%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>86%54,911 psi86%2799 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>82%55,825 psi87%2769 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%56,927 psi89%2664 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>86%54,549 psi85%2628 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>92%57,551 psi90%2759 fps99.8%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>98%54,723 psi86%2848 fps99%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%56,463 psi88%2661 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%56,637 psi89%2782 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%56,623 psi89%2792 fps97.5%
Somchem S365<<locked>>96%57,580 psi90%2864 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>98%55,912 psi88%2828 fps99.5%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>82%57,508 psi90%2644 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%57,217 psi90%2690 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>84%57,450 psi90%2710 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>88%54,505 psi85%2710 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%56,753 psi89%2812 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,517 psi81%2749 fps98.8%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>84%55,521 psi87%2710 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>92%55,608 psi87%2815 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,188 psi88%2874 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,116 psi90%2949 fps98.1%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%56,376 psi88%2776 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>90%54,476 psi85%2835 fps99.7%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%45,324 psi71%2864 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%56,014 psi88%2776 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,101 psi88%2825 fps99%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%50,705 psi79%2615 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%48,863 psi77%2635 fps98.5%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>84%30,560 psi48%2352 fps95.4%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%48,066 psi75%2625 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%36,506 psi57%2503 fps98.8%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>96%48,095 psi75%2805 fps95.6%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%53,824 psi84%2743 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%45,832 psi72%2608 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>86%38,305 psi60%2546 fps95.1%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>94%44,469 psi70%2700 fps95.5%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%50,734 psi80%2822 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>86%38,421 psi60%2549 fps95.2%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%46,267 psi73%2631 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%49,298 psi77%2694 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%35,940 psi56%2520 fps99%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%40,727 psi64%2638 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>86%38,014 psi60%2543 fps95.1%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>90%37,956 psi59%2589 fps95.3%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%26,063 psi41%2280 fps97%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>88%29,602 psi46%2395 fps95.3%
Alliant Reloder-2671.8 gr80%27,731 psi43%2385 fps95.3%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%53,795 psi84%2766 fps100%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>94%40,030 psi63%2631 fps95.9%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%46,383 psi73%2641 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>90%37,956 psi59%2589 fps95.3%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%40,814 psi64%2520 fps97.1%
Hodgdon H1000<<locked>>98%40,582 psi64%2612 fps95%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%46,804 psi73%2654 fps99.8%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%38,783 psi61%2556 fps97.2%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%41,843 psi66%2575 fps96.7%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>94%47,630 psi75%2707 fps95.7%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>94%46,688 psi73%2690 fps95.5%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%33,417 psi52%2415 fps99.4%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%51,227 psi80%2740 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>96%37,376 psi59%2641 fps95.4%
Hodgdon Superformance74 gr80%37,681 psi59%2566 fps96.5%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,108 psi42%1526 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%52,156 psi82%2707 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%48,225 psi76%2638 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%50,488 psi79%2671 fps99.2%
IMR 4350<<locked>>80%36,622 psi57%2454 fps95.8%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%42,308 psi66%2549 fps97.8%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%35,259 psi55%2461 fps98.6%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%50,604 psi79%2723 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>92%46,456 psi73%2651 fps95.6%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>94%42,380 psi66%2674 fps95%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%52,808 psi83%2671 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%48,240 psi76%2631 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%39,769 psi62%2503 fps98.5%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%37,927 psi59%2484 fps97.1%
Lovex S071<<locked>>90%31,734 psi50%2382 fps95.9%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%52,562 psi82%2687 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%53,447 psi84%2687 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%48,631 psi76%2684 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>82%38,450 psi60%2530 fps95%
Norma MRP<<locked>>86%34,664 psi54%2539 fps95.7%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%36,550 psi57%2500 fps98.8%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%49,139 psi77%2707 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>94%42,032 psi66%2677 fps95.3%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%35,433 psi56%2490 fps97%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>94%37,130 psi58%2556 fps95.7%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,528 psi43%1562 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%46,847 psi73%2638 fps99.2%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%53,505 psi84%2812 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%43,352 psi68%2687 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%36,361 psi57%2523 fps98.6%
ReloadSwiss RS 7071.1 gr80%35,491 psi56%2533 fps98.1%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>94%34,316 psi54%2562 fps95.3%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%50,140 psi79%2644 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%43,569 psi68%2589 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>88%42,453 psi67%2582 fps95.2%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>86%36,854 psi58%2520 fps95%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%40,814 psi64%2520 fps97.1%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%39,769 psi62%2503 fps98.5%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%48,240 psi76%2631 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%37,927 psi59%2484 fps97.1%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%44,904 psi70%2644 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%52,373 psi82%2720 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%53,447 psi84%2618 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%45,136 psi71%2493 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%38,914 psi61%2448 fps97.2%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>88%39,160 psi61%2572 fps95.8%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%53,185 psi83%2618 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%44,005 psi69%2589 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>90%46,354 psi73%2628 fps95.4%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%33,025 psi52%2461 fps99.9%
Somchem S385<<locked>>84%34,969 psi55%2451 fps95.2%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%54,056 psi85%2602 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%50,343 psi79%2605 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%50,575 psi79%2621 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%41,989 psi66%2520 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%37,942 psi59%2500 fps99%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>90%36,912 psi58%2487 fps95.5%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%48,863 psi77%2618 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%37,420 psi59%2503 fps98.7%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%28,572 psi45%2349 fps97%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>94%46,253 psi72%2766 fps95.8%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%37,115 psi58%2470 fps99.9%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%38,943 psi61%2556 fps97.2%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>80%22,814 psi36%2244 fps95.5%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%52,504 psi82%2726 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>90%39,465 psi62%2543 fps95.6%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 102 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 230gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid. Norma MRP delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 2,956 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,706 fps to 2,956 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 102 of the 102 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 57–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 230.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:11.5 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26, Hodgdon Superformance rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 230gr | Lehigh Defense Match Solid they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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