Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 225gr | Nosler Expansion Tip

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Nosler
Bullet Weight:225 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:12.0

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 225gr | Nosler Expansion Tip bullet and 104 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26 and Hodgdon Superformance.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>84%57,261 psi90%2730 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%55,463 psi87%2766 fps99.2%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,518 psi82%2802 fps99.8%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>86%57,609 psi90%2785 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>92%54,940 psi86%2851 fps100%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%54,897 psi86%2949 fps97%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>82%56,913 psi89%2822 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>86%54,839 psi86%2782 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%56,231 psi88%2904 fps98.9%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,969 psi85%2900 fps97.6%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>82%53,911 psi84%2900 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>98%56,405 psi88%2900 fps99%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>86%55,390 psi87%2799 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%55,666 psi87%2825 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%55,941 psi88%2910 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>90%57,406 psi90%2933 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>98%55,550 psi87%2890 fps98.9%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,678 psi83%2894 fps98.7%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,559 psi78%2822 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,105 psi68%2753 fps99.5%
Alliant Reloder-26ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,435 psi90%3022 fps100%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>82%57,159 psi90%2844 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%48,095 psi75%2815 fps97.8%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%56,188 psi88%2818 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,678 psi83%2894 fps98.7%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%55,506 psi87%2805 fps99.4%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%56,724 psi89%2838 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>92%57,377 psi90%2907 fps99.8%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>90%57,363 psi90%2871 fps99.2%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%54,027 psi85%2844 fps97%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%56,681 psi89%2884 fps97.4%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>82%57,580 psi90%2828 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%56,362 psi88%2831 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>82%54,331 psi85%2818 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%42,163 psi66%2782 fps97.1%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>90%53,969 psi85%2894 fps99.5%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,245 psi57%1729 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>82%55,172 psi86%2782 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>84%54,143 psi85%2762 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%56,869 psi89%2799 fps99.7%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%56,695 psi89%2841 fps99.5%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>90%57,305 psi90%2835 fps99.7%
IMR 4831<<locked>>94%55,506 psi87%2844 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>84%57,087 psi89%2851 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%55,666 psi87%2831 fps97.4%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%51,213 psi80%2867 fps97.2%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>82%57,334 psi90%2792 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%55,680 psi87%2743 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>86%57,682 psi90%2799 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>92%57,174 psi90%2825 fps100%
Lovex S070<<locked>>92%55,100 psi86%2818 fps99.7%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,584 psi68%2657 fps98.9%
Norma 201<<locked>>82%55,434 psi87%2759 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%56,333 psi88%2756 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>84%54,897 psi86%2808 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>94%57,638 psi90%2897 fps98.9%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%55,970 psi88%2979 fps99.8%
Norma URP<<locked>>94%57,406 psi90%2890 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%55,767 psi87%2835 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%51,576 psi81%2884 fps97.6%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%56,376 psi88%2897 fps100%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%45,701 psi72%2759 fps98%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,956 psi58%1772 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%56,652 psi89%2825 fps99.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%56,855 psi89%2894 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>88%57,014 psi89%2927 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>92%54,911 psi86%2877 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>94%57,609 psi90%2966 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%41,901 psi66%2772 fps98%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%56,246 psi88%2762 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%56,275 psi88%2812 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%54,288 psi85%2818 fps97.7%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>98%54,592 psi86%2874 fps98.9%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%55,506 psi87%2805 fps99.4%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>92%57,174 psi90%2825 fps100%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>82%57,334 psi90%2792 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>86%57,682 psi90%2799 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>92%55,100 psi86%2818 fps99.7%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>86%54,273 psi85%2822 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>82%55,521 psi87%2795 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%56,507 psi89%2690 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>88%57,363 psi90%2694 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>92%57,130 psi90%2782 fps99.7%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>98%54,114 psi85%2871 fps98.8%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%56,014 psi88%2687 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%56,289 psi88%2808 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%55,999 psi88%2812 fps97.2%
Somchem S365<<locked>>96%56,695 psi89%2887 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>98%55,288 psi87%2851 fps99.4%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>82%57,101 psi89%2671 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%56,695 psi89%2720 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>84%56,913 psi89%2736 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>90%57,580 psi90%2779 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%56,028 psi88%2835 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,908 psi80%2769 fps98.6%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>84%54,998 psi86%2736 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>92%55,056 psi86%2841 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,506 psi87%2897 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,362 psi88%2969 fps97.8%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%55,767 psi87%2802 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>92%57,653 psi90%2910 fps99.8%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%44,701 psi70%2884 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%55,637 psi87%2805 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,637 psi87%2848 fps98.8%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%50,198 psi79%2638 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%48,573 psi76%2657 fps98.3%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>86%32,343 psi51%2425 fps95.9%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%47,601 psi75%2648 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%36,071 psi57%2520 fps98.6%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>96%47,659 psi75%2828 fps95.3%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%53,359 psi84%2769 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%45,455 psi71%2631 fps99.9%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>88%40,495 psi63%2621 fps95.6%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>94%44,019 psi69%2720 fps95.1%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%50,140 psi79%2841 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>88%40,567 psi64%2621 fps95.7%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%45,672 psi72%2651 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%48,834 psi77%2720 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%35,578 psi56%2536 fps98.8%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%40,219 psi63%2657 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>88%40,132 psi63%2615 fps95.6%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>92%40,161 psi63%2664 fps95.8%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%25,759 psi40%2293 fps96.6%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>90%31,183 psi49%2467 fps95.8%
Alliant Reloder-2674.1 gr82%29,370 psi46%2461 fps95.9%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%53,432 psi84%2792 fps100%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>94%39,465 psi62%2644 fps95.4%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%45,905 psi72%2661 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>92%40,161 psi63%2664 fps95.8%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%40,466 psi63%2539 fps96.8%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%46,340 psi73%2677 fps99.7%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%38,334 psi60%2572 fps96.8%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%41,437 psi65%2595 fps96.3%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>94%47,152 psi74%2726 fps95.4%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>94%46,238 psi72%2710 fps95.1%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>80%53,954 psi85%2779 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%32,924 psi52%2428 fps99.2%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%50,676 psi79%2766 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>98%39,508 psi62%2720 fps96.1%
Hodgdon Superformance74.5 gr80%37,188 psi58%2579 fps96%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,122 psi43%1545 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%51,706 psi81%2730 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%47,819 psi75%2664 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%50,067 psi78%2694 fps99.1%
IMR 4350<<locked>>80%36,274 psi57%2470 fps95.5%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%41,945 psi66%2572 fps97.6%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%34,853 psi55%2477 fps98.4%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%50,111 psi79%2746 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>92%46,064 psi72%2671 fps95.3%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>96%44,701 psi70%2746 fps95.5%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>80%53,679 psi84%2743 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%52,431 psi82%2697 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%47,790 psi75%2657 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%39,378 psi62%2523 fps98.2%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%37,536 psi59%2500 fps96.7%
Lovex S071<<locked>>90%31,270 psi49%2398 fps95.4%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%52,156 psi82%2713 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%52,765 psi83%2710 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%48,182 psi76%2707 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>84%40,843 psi64%2608 fps95.6%
Norma MRP<<locked>>86%34,156 psi54%2552 fps95.1%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%36,158 psi57%2520 fps98.5%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%48,573 psi76%2730 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>96%44,556 psi70%2756 fps95.8%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%35,027 psi55%2507 fps96.7%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>94%36,666 psi57%2572 fps95.2%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,528 psi43%1581 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%46,383 psi73%2661 fps99%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%52,924 psi83%2835 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%42,815 psi67%2710 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%36,027 psi56%2543 fps98.3%
ReloadSwiss RS 7071.6 gr80%35,070 psi55%2549 fps97.8%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>96%36,376 psi57%2638 fps95.9%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%49,559 psi78%2667 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%43,120 psi68%2612 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>90%44,860 psi70%2657 fps95.6%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>88%38,986 psi61%2595 fps95.5%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%40,466 psi63%2539 fps96.8%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%39,378 psi62%2523 fps98.2%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>80%53,679 psi84%2743 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%47,790 psi75%2657 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%37,536 psi59%2500 fps96.7%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%44,411 psi70%2664 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%51,880 psi81%2743 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%53,084 psi83%2644 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%44,817 psi70%2520 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%38,508 psi60%2467 fps96.9%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>88%38,624 psi61%2589 fps95.3%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%52,794 psi83%2644 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%43,613 psi68%2612 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>90%45,905 psi72%2644 fps95%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%32,605 psi51%2477 fps99.8%
Somchem S385<<locked>>86%37,072 psi58%2526 fps95.8%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%53,708 psi84%2628 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%49,922 psi78%2631 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%50,154 psi79%2644 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%41,597 psi65%2539 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%37,536 psi59%2520 fps98.8%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>90%36,390 psi57%2500 fps95%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%48,399 psi76%2641 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%36,999 psi58%2520 fps98.5%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%28,181 psi44%2365 fps96.6%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>94%45,701 psi72%2785 fps95.4%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%36,869 psi58%2493 fps99.8%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%38,493 psi60%2575 fps96.9%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>82%24,163 psi38%2323 fps96.4%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%51,953 psi81%2749 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>90%39,102 psi61%2562 fps95.2%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 104 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 225gr | Nosler Expansion Tip. Alliant Reloder-26 delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 3,022 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,729 fps to 3,022 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 104 of the 104 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 57–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 225.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:12.0 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26, Hodgdon Superformance rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 225gr | Nosler Expansion Tip they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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