Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 225gr | Barnes TTSX BT

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Barnes
Bullet Weight:225 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:12.5

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 225gr | Barnes TTSX BT bullet and 103 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26 and Hodgdon Superformance.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>84%57,217 psi90%2730 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>84%55,608 psi87%2769 fps99.2%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,881 psi83%2808 fps99.8%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>84%54,128 psi85%2743 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>92%55,100 psi86%2854 fps100%
Accurate MAGPROᴾ<<locked>>100%55,259 psi87%2956 fps97%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>82%57,101 psi89%2825 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>86%54,795 psi86%2779 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%56,347 psi88%2904 fps98.9%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,056 psi85%2900 fps97.6%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>82%54,085 psi85%2904 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>86%55,564 psi87%2802 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%55,782 psi87%2825 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%56,101 psi88%2910 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>88%53,751 psi84%2884 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>98%55,709 psi87%2894 fps98.9%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,808 psi83%2897 fps98.7%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,734 psi78%2825 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,236 psi68%2756 fps99.5%
Alliant Reloder-26ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,595 psi90%3025 fps100%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>82%57,305 psi90%2848 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%48,399 psi76%2822 fps97.8%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%56,362 psi88%2818 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,808 psi83%2897 fps98.7%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%55,651 psi87%2808 fps99.4%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%56,681 psi89%2838 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>90%53,911 psi84%2858 fps99.6%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>90%57,508 psi90%2874 fps99.2%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%54,128 psi85%2844 fps97%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%56,840 psi89%2887 fps97.5%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>82%57,740 psi90%2831 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%56,550 psi89%2835 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>82%54,505 psi85%2822 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumboᴾ<<locked>>100%42,293 psi66%2785 fps97.1%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>90%54,085 psi85%2897 fps99.5%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,303 psi57%1729 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>82%55,332 psi87%2785 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>86%57,711 psi90%2812 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%57,029 psi89%2802 fps99.7%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%56,826 psi89%2844 fps99.5%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>90%57,450 psi90%2835 fps99.7%
IMR 4831<<locked>>94%55,695 psi87%2848 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>84%57,276 psi90%2854 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%55,767 psi87%2831 fps97.5%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%51,343 psi80%2871 fps97.2%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>82%57,522 psi90%2792 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%55,854 psi88%2746 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>84%54,447 psi85%2756 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>92%57,319 psi90%2828 fps100%
Lovex S070<<locked>>92%55,230 psi87%2825 fps99.7%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%43,729 psi69%2661 fps98.9%
Norma 201<<locked>>82%55,637 psi87%2766 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%56,521 psi89%2759 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>84%55,071 psi86%2812 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>92%54,041 psi85%2844 fps98.5%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%56,101 psi88%2979 fps99.8%
Norma URP<<locked>>92%54,070 psi85%2844 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%55,927 psi88%2838 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%51,648 psi81%2887 fps97.6%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%56,507 psi89%2900 fps100%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%45,832 psi72%2759 fps98%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,840 psi58%1768 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%56,797 psi89%2828 fps99.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%57,043 psi89%2897 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>88%57,232 psi90%2927 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>92%55,042 psi86%2881 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>94%57,725 psi90%2969 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%42,134 psi66%2782 fps98.1%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%56,173 psi88%2762 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%56,449 psi88%2815 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%54,636 psi86%2822 fps97.8%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>98%54,926 psi86%2881 fps98.9%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%55,651 psi87%2808 fps99.4%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>92%57,319 psi90%2828 fps100%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>82%57,522 psi90%2792 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>84%54,447 psi85%2756 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>92%55,230 psi87%2825 fps99.7%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>86%54,418 psi85%2825 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>82%55,680 psi87%2799 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%56,492 psi89%2690 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>88%57,493 psi90%2694 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>92%57,261 psi90%2785 fps99.7%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>98%54,447 psi85%2877 fps98.9%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%56,173 psi88%2690 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%56,188 psi88%2808 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%56,333 psi88%2815 fps97.3%
Somchem S365<<locked>>96%57,072 psi89%2894 fps100%
Somchem S385<<locked>>98%55,448 psi87%2854 fps99.4%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>82%57,058 psi89%2671 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%56,681 psi89%2720 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>84%57,087 psi89%2736 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>90%57,725 psi90%2782 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%56,173 psi88%2835 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,256 psi80%2776 fps98.7%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>84%55,158 psi86%2740 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>92%55,187 psi86%2841 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,637 psi87%2900 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,449 psi88%2969 fps97.8%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%55,898 psi88%2802 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>90%54,114 psi85%2861 fps99.6%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%44,788 psi70%2887 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%55,796 psi87%2805 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,796 psi87%2851 fps98.8%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%50,386 psi79%2641 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%48,544 psi76%2657 fps98.3%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>84%30,255 psi47%2372 fps95%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%47,805 psi75%2651 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%36,201 psi57%2523 fps98.6%
Accurate MAGPRO<<locked>>96%47,761 psi75%2831 fps95.3%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%53,519 psi84%2772 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%45,455 psi71%2631 fps99.9%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>88%40,611 psi64%2625 fps95.6%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>94%44,150 psi69%2723 fps95.2%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%50,285 psi79%2844 fps100%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%45,847 psi72%2654 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%49,008 psi77%2723 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%35,708 psi56%2539 fps98.8%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%40,379 psi63%2661 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>88%40,263 psi63%2618 fps95.7%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>90%37,666 psi59%2608 fps95%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%25,860 psi41%2300 fps96.7%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>90%31,285 psi49%2470 fps95.9%
Alliant Reloder-2674.3 gr82%29,472 psi46%2464 fps96%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%53,403 psi84%2792 fps100%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>94%39,740 psi62%2651 fps95.5%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%45,890 psi72%2664 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>90%37,666 psi59%2608 fps95%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%40,596 psi64%2546 fps96.8%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%46,499 psi73%2677 fps99.7%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%38,479 psi60%2575 fps96.9%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%41,423 psi65%2595 fps96.3%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>94%47,268 psi74%2730 fps95.4%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>94%46,354 psi73%2713 fps95.2%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>80%54,143 psi85%2782 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%33,083 psi52%2431 fps99.2%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%50,850 psi80%2766 fps100%
Hodgdon Retumbo<<locked>>96%37,101 psi58%2657 fps95%
Hodgdon Superformance74.7 gr80%37,304 psi58%2582 fps96.1%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,035 psi42%1545 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%51,866 psi81%2733 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%47,805 psi75%2664 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%50,183 psi79%2697 fps99.1%
IMR 4350<<locked>>80%36,245 psi57%2470 fps95.5%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%42,105 psi66%2575 fps97.6%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%35,012 psi55%2480 fps98.4%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%50,270 psi79%2749 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>92%46,180 psi72%2674 fps95.4%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>96%44,991 psi71%2753 fps95.6%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>80%53,809 psi84%2746 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%52,591 psi82%2700 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%47,979 psi75%2657 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%39,537 psi62%2526 fps98.3%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%37,681 psi59%2507 fps96.8%
Lovex S071<<locked>>90%31,401 psi49%2398 fps95.5%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%52,315 psi82%2717 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%52,953 psi83%2710 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%48,341 psi76%2707 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>84%40,973 psi64%2612 fps95.6%
Norma MRP<<locked>>86%34,272 psi54%2556 fps95.2%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%36,289 psi57%2523 fps98.6%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%48,733 psi76%2733 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>96%44,657 psi70%2759 fps95.9%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%35,157 psi55%2510 fps96.7%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>94%36,782 psi58%2572 fps95.3%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,601 psi43%1585 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%46,528 psi73%2664 fps99%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%53,113 psi83%2838 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%42,989 psi67%2710 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%36,042 psi56%2543 fps98.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 7071.8 gr80%35,172 psi55%2552 fps97.8%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>96%36,579 psi57%2648 fps96.1%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%49,705 psi78%2671 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%43,294 psi68%2612 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>90%44,991 psi71%2657 fps95.7%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>88%39,131 psi61%2598 fps95.6%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%40,596 psi64%2546 fps96.8%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%39,537 psi62%2526 fps98.3%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>80%53,809 psi84%2746 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%47,979 psi75%2657 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%37,681 psi59%2507 fps96.8%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%44,556 psi70%2667 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%52,054 psi82%2746 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%53,272 psi83%2648 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%44,947 psi70%2523 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%38,653 psi61%2470 fps96.9%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>88%38,754 psi61%2592 fps95.4%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%52,924 psi83%2648 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%43,758 psi69%2615 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>90%46,006 psi72%2651 fps95%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%32,605 psi51%2477 fps99.8%
Somchem S385<<locked>>86%37,202 psi58%2526 fps95.8%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%53,882 psi84%2631 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%50,140 psi79%2631 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%50,343 psi79%2648 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%41,727 psi65%2543 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%37,666 psi59%2523 fps98.8%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>90%36,506 psi57%2503 fps95.1%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%48,530 psi76%2644 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%37,115 psi58%2523 fps98.5%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%28,311 psi44%2369 fps96.7%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>94%45,992 psi72%2792 fps95.5%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%36,840 psi58%2493 fps99.8%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%38,479 psi60%2575 fps96.9%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>82%24,265 psi38%2326 fps96.5%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%52,112 psi82%2753 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>90%39,204 psi61%2566 fps95.3%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 103 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 225gr | Barnes TTSX BT. Alliant Reloder-26 delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 3,025 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,729 fps to 3,025 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 103 of the 103 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 57–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 225.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:12.5 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate MAGPRO, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-26, Hodgdon Superformance rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 225gr | Barnes TTSX BT they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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