Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 210gr | Barnes TTSX BT

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Barnes
Bullet Weight:210 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:13.0

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 210gr | Barnes TTSX BT bullet and 108 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are Alliant Reloder-17, ReloadSwiss RS 60 and Winchester 760.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>84%55,579 psi87%2815 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>86%57,696 psi90%2894 fps99.1%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,763 psi80%2871 fps99.4%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>86%56,043 psi88%2871 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>94%57,072 psi89%2982 fps100%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>82%55,448 psi87%2904 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>88%56,840 psi89%2910 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%54,505 psi85%2972 fps98.2%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,359 psi82%2966 fps96.6%
ADI Benchmark 8208<<locked>>82%57,711 psi90%2897 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>84%56,202 psi88%3038 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>98%54,592 psi86%2969 fps98.3%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>88%57,276 psi90%2930 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>84%54,027 psi85%2900 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>94%54,215 psi85%2986 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>90%55,535 psi87%3015 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,377 psi90%3015 fps98.7%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,879 psi80%2959 fps97.9%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%47,790 psi75%2890 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%41,785 psi65%2812 fps98.8%
Alliant Reloder-26ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,172 psi86%3094 fps100%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>82%55,521 psi87%2923 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%46,543 psi73%2877 fps96.8%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%54,520 psi85%2897 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,879 psi80%2959 fps97.9%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>90%54,186 psi85%2881 fps98.9%
Hodgdon BL-C2<<locked>>82%57,740 psi90%2930 fps100%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%55,114 psi86%2913 fps100%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>92%55,767 psi87%2986 fps99.5%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>90%55,593 psi87%2940 fps98.6%
Hodgdon H4831ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,086 psi88%2966 fps96.7%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%54,969 psi86%2949 fps96.5%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>82%56,057 psi88%2910 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>96%54,520 psi85%2907 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>84%56,492 psi89%2953 fps100%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>92%56,057 psi88%3025 fps99.4%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,085 psi57%1795 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>84%57,290 psi90%2913 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>82%56,695 psi89%2884 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>86%56,202 psi88%2890 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%55,390 psi87%2874 fps99.3%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%55,056 psi86%2913 fps99%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>90%55,999 psi88%2910 fps99.3%
IMR 4831<<locked>>96%57,334 psi90%2969 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>84%55,463 psi87%2930 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%54,099 psi85%2897 fps96.5%
IMR 7828 SSCᴾ<<locked>>100%49,632 psi78%2930 fps96.1%
IMR 8208 XBR<<locked>>82%57,711 psi90%2897 fps100%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>82%55,782 psi87%2874 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>82%54,447 psi85%2825 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>86%56,304 psi88%2884 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>92%55,695 psi87%2904 fps99.9%
Lovex S070<<locked>>94%57,072 psi89%2946 fps99.6%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%41,916 psi66%2717 fps98.1%
Norma 201<<locked>>84%57,609 psi90%2894 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%54,911 psi86%2841 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>86%57,000 psi89%2943 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>94%55,883 psi88%2969 fps98.3%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%54,099 psi85%3045 fps99.4%
Norma URP<<locked>>94%55,782 psi87%2969 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>84%54,230 psi85%2917 fps100%
Ramshot Grandᴾ<<locked>>100%49,705 psi78%2940 fps96.5%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%54,607 psi86%2972 fps99.7%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%44,164 psi69%2815 fps97%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,753 psi58%1837 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%55,027 psi86%2897 fps99.6%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%54,984 psi86%2969 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>88%55,129 psi86%3005 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>94%56,913 psi89%3009 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>94%55,608 psi87%3038 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 76ᴾ<<locked>>100%40,596 psi64%2825 fps96.8%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%54,592 psi86%2841 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%54,607 psi86%2890 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>98%56,391 psi88%2943 fps97.5%
Rottweil R 905ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,666 psi89%3005 fps98.7%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>90%54,186 psi85%2881 fps98.9%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>92%55,695 psi87%2904 fps99.9%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>82%55,782 psi87%2874 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>86%56,304 psi88%2884 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>94%57,072 psi89%2946 fps99.6%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>88%56,478 psi89%2956 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>82%56,826 psi89%2910 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>84%57,595 psi90%2927 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%55,172 psi86%2776 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>88%56,072 psi88%2776 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>92%55,622 psi87%2858 fps99.3%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,159 psi88%2999 fps98.6%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%54,752 psi86%2772 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>82%56,521 psi89%2894 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%54,520 psi85%2884 fps100%
Somchem S361<<locked>>96%54,607 psi86%2881 fps96.3%
Somchem S365<<locked>>96%54,737 psi86%2966 fps100%
Somchem S385ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,261 psi90%2976 fps99.3%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>82%55,709 psi87%2756 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%55,013 psi86%2802 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>84%55,579 psi87%2822 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>90%56,101 psi88%2861 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>92%54,331 psi85%2907 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,313 psi77%2838 fps97.9%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>86%57,232 psi90%2864 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>94%57,058 psi89%2969 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,447 psi84%2969 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,563 psi86%3038 fps96.9%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>92%54,230 psi85%2881 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>92%55,956 psi88%2986 fps99.5%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%43,004 psi67%2946 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>82%54,114 psi85%2884 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,795 psi84%2913 fps98.1%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%48,660 psi76%2717 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%47,210 psi74%2723 fps97.5%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>88%33,359 psi52%2530 fps95.5%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%46,108 psi72%2723 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%34,795 psi55%2579 fps97.7%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%52,054 psi82%2851 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%44,251 psi69%2703 fps99.7%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>90%41,945 psi66%2736 fps95.2%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>98%48,776 psi76%2900 fps95.7%
ADI Benchmark 8208<<locked>>80%54,230 psi85%2848 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%48,617 psi76%2917 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>90%41,916 psi66%2736 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%44,483 psi70%2726 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%47,514 psi74%2795 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%34,447 psi54%2595 fps97.9%
Alliant Reloder-1772.3 gr80%38,972 psi61%2723 fps99.8%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>90%41,423 psi65%2730 fps95.3%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>94%41,408 psi65%2779 fps95.5%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>80%24,889 psi39%2339 fps95.1%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>92%32,198 psi50%2572 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>84%30,458 psi48%2569 fps95.6%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%51,822 psi81%2867 fps100%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>96%40,843 psi64%2762 fps95.1%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%44,367 psi70%2733 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>94%41,408 psi65%2779 fps95.5%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%39,320 psi62%2605 fps95.7%
Hodgdon BL-C2<<locked>>80%53,983 psi85%2877 fps100%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%45,005 psi71%2746 fps99.3%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%37,072 psi58%2631 fps95.7%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>80%40,103 psi63%2654 fps95.2%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>96%48,878 psi77%2848 fps95.1%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>98%51,242 psi80%2890 fps95.7%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>80%52,634 psi82%2861 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%31,778 psi50%2487 fps98.4%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%49,298 psi77%2844 fps100%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>82%38,798 psi61%2703 fps95.8%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%26,890 psi42%1604 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%50,459 psi79%2812 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>80%53,214 psi83%2838 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%46,514 psi73%2736 fps99.9%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%48,849 psi77%2766 fps98.5%
IMR 4350<<locked>>82%37,478 psi59%2585 fps95.1%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%40,944 psi64%2638 fps96.7%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%33,605 psi53%2533 fps97.4%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%48,776 psi76%2825 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>94%47,703 psi75%2789 fps95%
IMR 7828 SSC<<locked>>98%46,456 psi73%2871 fps95.2%
IMR 8208 XBR<<locked>>80%54,230 psi85%2848 fps100%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>80%52,083 psi82%2822 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%51,169 psi80%2776 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%46,485 psi73%2733 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%38,247 psi60%2585 fps97.4%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%36,361 psi57%2559 fps95.6%
Lovex S071<<locked>>92%32,184 psi50%2500 fps95%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%50,720 psi79%2792 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%51,517 psi81%2792 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%46,891 psi73%2782 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>86%42,453 psi67%2730 fps95.3%
Norma MRP<<locked>>90%37,956 psi59%2730 fps95.9%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%34,882 psi55%2579 fps97.6%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%47,181 psi74%2805 fps100%
Ramshot Grand<<locked>>98%46,195 psi72%2874 fps95.5%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>80%33,852 psi53%2562 fps95.5%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>98%41,017 psi64%2749 fps96%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,398 psi43%1644 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%45,266 psi71%2730 fps98.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%51,242 psi80%2913 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 6072.3 gr80%41,524 psi65%2782 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%34,650 psi54%2598 fps97.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>80%34,011 psi53%2605 fps96.7%
ReloadSwiss RS 76<<locked>>98%37,724 psi59%2753 fps95.6%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%48,254 psi76%2743 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%41,713 psi65%2677 fps99.9%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>92%46,412 psi73%2772 fps95.3%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>90%40,292 psi63%2710 fps95.1%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%39,320 psi62%2605 fps95.7%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%38,247 psi60%2585 fps97.4%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>80%52,083 psi82%2822 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%46,485 psi73%2733 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%36,361 psi57%2559 fps95.6%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%43,018 psi67%2733 fps99.8%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>80%52,895 psi83%2851 fps99.9%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%50,473 psi79%2818 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%51,880 psi81%2726 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%43,671 psi68%2595 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%37,347 psi59%2526 fps95.8%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>90%39,900 psi63%2703 fps95%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%51,445 psi81%2726 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>80%52,663 psi83%2838 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%42,293 psi66%2680 fps99.9%
Somchem S361<<locked>>94%50,908 psi80%2822 fps95.5%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%31,357 psi49%2533 fps99.4%
Somchem S385<<locked>>88%38,261 psi60%2638 fps95.4%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%52,460 psi82%2713 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%48,588 psi76%2710 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%48,733 psi76%2723 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%40,292 psi63%2608 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%36,376 psi57%2582 fps98%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>94%40,364 psi63%2671 fps95.7%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%47,123 psi74%2720 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%35,824 psi56%2582 fps97.7%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>80%27,021 psi42%2411 fps95.3%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>96%47,471 psi74%2907 fps95.1%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%35,607 psi56%2552 fps99.5%
Winchester 76070.8 gr80%37,217 psi58%2635 fps95.8%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>84%24,918 psi39%2418 fps95.8%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%50,415 psi79%2825 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>94%43,453 psi68%2736 fps95.8%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 108 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 210gr | Barnes TTSX BT. Alliant Reloder-26 delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 3,094 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,795 fps to 3,094 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 108 of the 108 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 57–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 210.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:13.0 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, ADI AR 2213, Alliant Reloder-19 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. Alliant Reloder-17, ReloadSwiss RS 60, Winchester 760 rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 210gr | Barnes TTSX BT they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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