Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 200gr | Barnes Solid

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:Barnes
Bullet Weight:200 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:13.0

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 200gr | Barnes Solid bullet and 105 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-17 and ReloadSwiss RS 60.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>84%55,999 psi88%2881 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>86%57,392 psi90%2949 fps98.8%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,792 psi80%2930 fps99.2%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>86%56,246 psi88%2936 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>94%56,710 psi89%3045 fps100%
Accurate High Countryᴾ<<locked>>100%55,521 psi87%3136 fps97.3%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>82%55,317 psi87%2966 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>88%56,521 psi89%2972 fps100%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>98%54,273 psi85%3028 fps97.7%
ADI AR 2213ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,909 psi81%3012 fps95.9%
ADI Benchmark 8208<<locked>>82%57,508 psi90%2959 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>84%55,579 psi87%3097 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>98%54,114 psi85%3022 fps97.8%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>88%57,174 psi90%2995 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>86%57,508 psi90%3018 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>96%57,363 psi90%3100 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>90%55,085 psi86%3074 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19ᴾ<<locked>>100%57,014 psi89%3071 fps98.3%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,415 psi79%3012 fps97.3%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%47,630 psi75%2953 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%41,640 psi65%2864 fps98.4%
Alliant Reloder-26ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,549 psi85%3150 fps100%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>82%55,158 psi86%2982 fps100%
Bofors RP15ᴾ<<locked>>100%46,238 psi72%2930 fps96.2%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>86%54,433 psi85%2959 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%50,415 psi79%3012 fps97.3%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>92%57,406 psi90%2992 fps98.9%
Hodgdon BL-C2<<locked>>82%57,653 psi90%2995 fps100%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>86%54,882 psi86%2972 fps99.9%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>92%55,419 psi87%3041 fps99.2%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>90%55,347 psi87%2999 fps98.2%
Hodgdon H4831ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,724 psi87%3018 fps96.1%
Hodgdon H4831 SCᴾ<<locked>>100%54,476 psi85%2999 fps95.8%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>82%55,912 psi88%2972 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>98%57,609 psi90%3015 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>84%56,115 psi88%3012 fps100%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>92%55,550 psi87%3077 fps99%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,129 psi57%1841 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>84%56,985 psi89%2976 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>82%56,521 psi89%2949 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>86%55,985 psi88%2953 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>84%55,347 psi87%2933 fps99%
IMR 4350<<locked>>94%54,737 psi86%2969 fps98.7%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>90%55,608 psi87%2966 fps99%
IMR 4831<<locked>>96%57,029 psi89%3031 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>84%55,230 psi87%2992 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduronᴾ<<locked>>100%57,392 psi90%3009 fps96.6%
IMR 8208 XBR<<locked>>82%57,508 psi90%2959 fps100%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>82%55,695 psi87%2936 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>84%57,740 psi90%2940 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>86%55,985 psi88%2943 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>92%55,695 psi87%2963 fps99.7%
Lovex S070<<locked>>94%56,913 psi89%3005 fps99.4%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%42,032 psi66%2772 fps97.7%
Norma 201<<locked>>84%57,638 psi90%2959 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>82%54,665 psi86%2904 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>86%56,724 psi89%3002 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>94%55,448 psi87%3022 fps97.8%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%53,664 psi84%3100 fps99%
Norma URP<<locked>>94%55,492 psi87%3028 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>86%57,696 psi90%3031 fps100%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>94%54,143 psi85%3025 fps99.5%
Ramshot Magnumᴾ<<locked>>100%44,005 psi69%2861 fps96.3%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,811 psi58%1886 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>86%54,911 psi86%2956 fps99.4%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>82%54,636 psi86%3031 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>88%54,679 psi86%3068 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>94%56,695 psi89%3068 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>94%55,274 psi87%3097 fps100%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>84%54,679 psi86%2907 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>88%54,476 psi85%2953 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>98%55,956 psi88%2995 fps96.9%
Rottweil R 905ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,130 psi88%3054 fps98.3%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>92%57,406 psi90%2992 fps98.9%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>92%55,695 psi87%2963 fps99.7%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>82%55,695 psi87%2936 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>86%55,985 psi88%2943 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>94%56,913 psi89%3005 fps99.4%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>88%55,985 psi88%3012 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>82%56,550 psi89%2969 fps99.9%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>84%57,246 psi90%2989 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>82%54,926 psi86%2835 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>88%55,854 psi88%2838 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>92%55,477 psi87%2913 fps99.1%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,622 psi87%3051 fps98.2%
Somchem S335<<locked>>82%54,592 psi86%2831 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>82%56,115 psi88%2953 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>88%54,578 psi86%2949 fps100%
Somchem S365<<locked>>96%54,273 psi85%3028 fps100%
Somchem S385ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,855 psi89%3031 fps98.9%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>82%55,419 psi87%2818 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>84%54,969 psi86%2867 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>84%55,187 psi86%2881 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>90%55,796 psi87%2923 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>94%57,609 psi90%3018 fps100%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%49,095 psi77%2890 fps97.4%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>86%57,000 psi89%2927 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>94%56,739 psi89%3028 fps100%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,345 psi84%3031 fps100%
Vihtavuori N560ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,172 psi85%3087 fps96.2%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>94%57,653 psi90%2989 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>92%55,608 psi87%3045 fps99.2%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%42,888 psi67%2999 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>84%57,450 psi90%2995 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,476 psi84%2969 fps97.6%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%49,023 psi77%2782 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%47,195 psi74%2779 fps97.1%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>88%33,620 psi53%2585 fps95%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%46,398 psi73%2785 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%35,128 psi55%2638 fps97.4%
Accurate High Country<<locked>>96%48,095 psi75%3002 fps95.6%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%52,040 psi82%2913 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%44,106 psi69%2759 fps99.5%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>92%44,643 psi70%2851 fps95.5%
ADI AR 2213<<locked>>98%48,646 psi76%2949 fps95%
ADI Benchmark 8208<<locked>>80%54,085 psi85%2910 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%48,298 psi76%2976 fps99.9%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>92%44,599 psi70%2848 fps95.6%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%44,396 psi70%2785 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%47,543 psi75%2854 fps99.9%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>80%34,447 psi54%2648 fps97.4%
Alliant Reloder-1773.1 gr80%38,928 psi61%2779 fps99.6%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>92%44,063 psi69%2841 fps95.5%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>96%44,179 psi69%2890 fps95.7%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>82%26,818 psi42%2448 fps95.6%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>94%34,447 psi54%2684 fps95.8%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>86%32,866 psi52%2690 fps96.1%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%51,735 psi81%2927 fps99.9%
Bofors RP15<<locked>>98%43,410 psi68%2871 fps95.3%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%44,585 psi70%2795 fps100%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>96%44,179 psi69%2890 fps95.7%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>80%39,523 psi62%2661 fps95.2%
Hodgdon BL-C2<<locked>>80%53,824 psi84%2940 fps100%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%45,092 psi71%2805 fps99.1%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>80%37,115 psi58%2684 fps95.1%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>82%42,844 psi67%2769 fps95.4%
Hodgdon H4831<<locked>>98%51,982 psi81%2956 fps95.3%
Hodgdon H4831 SC<<locked>>98%51,024 psi80%2940 fps95%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>80%52,576 psi82%2923 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%32,010 psi50%2543 fps98.1%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%49,095 psi77%2904 fps100%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>82%38,841 psi61%2753 fps95.2%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%27,064 psi42%1647 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%50,154 psi79%2867 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>80%52,953 psi83%2900 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%46,383 psi73%2795 fps99.8%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%48,631 psi76%2822 fps98.1%
IMR 4350<<locked>>84%39,914 psi63%2690 fps95.4%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%40,828 psi64%2690 fps96.1%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%33,823 psi53%2592 fps97%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%48,776 psi76%2887 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>96%50,517 psi79%2894 fps95.1%
IMR 8208 XBR<<locked>>80%54,085 psi85%2910 fps100%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>80%52,083 psi82%2884 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%51,155 psi80%2838 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%46,630 psi73%2795 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%38,363 psi60%2641 fps96.9%
Lovex S070<<locked>>80%36,637 psi57%2618 fps95.1%
Lovex S071<<locked>>94%34,679 psi54%2612 fps95.4%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%50,734 psi80%2854 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%51,329 psi80%2854 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%46,920 psi74%2841 fps99.9%
Norma 204<<locked>>88%45,194 psi71%2841 fps95.6%
Norma MRP<<locked>>90%38,014 psi60%2785 fps95.2%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%35,041 psi55%2635 fps97.2%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%46,963 psi74%2861 fps99.9%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>82%36,303 psi57%2674 fps95.8%
Ramshot Magnum<<locked>>98%41,017 psi64%2799 fps95.3%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,441 psi43%1686 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%45,208 psi71%2785 fps98%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%51,024 psi80%2972 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 6073.1 gr80%41,394 psi65%2841 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%34,766 psi54%2654 fps96.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 7074.2 gr80%34,084 psi53%2654 fps96%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%48,457 psi76%2808 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%41,959 psi66%2740 fps99.8%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>94%49,313 psi77%2884 fps95.5%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>92%43,004 psi67%2822 fps95.4%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>80%39,523 psi62%2661 fps95.2%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%38,363 psi60%2641 fps96.9%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>80%52,083 psi82%2884 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%46,630 psi73%2795 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>80%36,637 psi57%2618 fps95.1%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%42,946 psi67%2792 fps99.7%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>80%52,750 psi83%2910 fps99.8%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%50,357 psi79%2881 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%51,779 psi81%2789 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%43,613 psi68%2654 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>80%37,579 psi59%2582 fps95.3%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>92%42,598 psi67%2815 fps95.2%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%51,372 psi81%2785 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>80%52,634 psi82%2900 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%42,351 psi66%2740 fps99.8%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%31,575 psi49%2589 fps99.1%
Somchem S385<<locked>>90%40,930 psi64%2746 fps95.7%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%52,257 psi82%2772 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%48,530 psi76%2772 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%48,733 psi76%2785 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%40,437 psi63%2667 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%36,477 psi57%2638 fps97.6%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>94%40,176 psi63%2717 fps95%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%47,094 psi74%2779 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%35,955 psi56%2635 fps97.2%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>82%29,298 psi46%2526 fps95.8%
Vihtavuori N560<<locked>>98%50,401 psi79%3018 fps95.3%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%35,810 psi56%2608 fps99.2%
Winchester 760<<locked>>80%37,260 psi58%2690 fps95.2%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>84%25,280 psi40%2470 fps95.1%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%50,256 psi79%2887 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>94%43,308 psi68%2785 fps95.2%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 105 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 200gr | Barnes Solid. Alliant Reloder-26 delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 3,150 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,841 fps to 3,150 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 105 of the 105 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 57–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 200.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:13.0 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate High Country, ADI AR 2213 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-17, ReloadSwiss RS 60 rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 200gr | Barnes Solid they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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