Load data for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. + .338 | 191gr | TWENTY-NINE ERTP

8.5 mm Messner Mag. cartridge drawing
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Load Specifications

Bullet Manufacturer:TWENTY-NINE
Bullet Weight:191 gr
Bullet Diameter:0.338"
Bullet Length:<<locked>>
Case Length (l3):2.508"
Cartridge Length (C.O.L.):<<locked>>
Case Capacity:106 Grains of Water
Primer Size:Large Rifle Magnum (LRM)
Barrel Length:25.6"
Max. allowed Pressure:63,817 psi
Recommended Twist Rate:1:12.5

Load data in caliber 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with .338 | 191gr | TWENTY-NINE ERTP bullet and 107 powders. The key underlying parameters are shown in the table above. The recommended powders for this cartridge and bullet combination are ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-16 and Hodgdon Superformance.

Important Notice: DO NOT go below Minimum Charge or above Maximum Charge. Since we have no control over the equipment and components used, any responsibility and liability for the results achieved is rejected.

Only powders/loads that match the current filter criteria are displayed: max pressure of a load ≤ 90% of max. standardized pressure, fill rate ≥ 80% and propellant combustion ≥ 95%. Use the sliders above the tables to adjust these thresholds.

Charge: Powder weight in grains. Start with the minimum load and work up carefully.

FR (Fill Rate): Case fill as a percentage. Values above 100% mean compressed loads.

MaxP / %: Maximum chamber pressure in bar and as a percentage of the standardized maximum for this caliber.

V(0): Muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps) at the standardized barrel length.

z (Powder Burn): Estimated propellant combustion percentage at bullet exit.

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Max Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>84%54,070 psi85%2923 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>86%55,970 psi88%2989 fps98.2%
Accurate 3100ᴾ<<locked>>100%48,747 psi76%2956 fps98.6%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>86%54,505 psi85%2979 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>94%54,781 psi86%3081 fps99.9%
Accurate High Countryᴾ<<locked>>100%53,171 psi83%3156 fps96.3%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>84%57,188 psi90%3058 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>88%54,984 psi86%3012 fps100%
ADI AR 2209ᴾ<<locked>>100%56,188 psi88%3117 fps97.6%
ADI Benchmark 8208<<locked>>82%55,999 psi88%3002 fps100%
Alliant AR-Comp<<locked>>82%57,740 psi90%2972 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>86%57,711 psi90%3196 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro Varmintᴾ<<locked>>100%55,854 psi88%3110 fps97.6%
Alliant Power Pro Varmintᴾ<<locked>>100%55,854 psi88%3110 fps97.6%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>88%55,477 psi87%3035 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>86%55,840 psi88%3058 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-16<<locked>>96%55,477 psi87%3136 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>92%57,058 psi89%3173 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-19ᴾ<<locked>>100%55,027 psi86%3100 fps97.6%
Alliant Reloder-22ᴾ<<locked>>100%48,718 psi76%3038 fps96.4%
Alliant Reloder-23ᴾ<<locked>>100%45,788 psi72%2979 fps100%
Alliant Reloder-25ᴾ<<locked>>100%40,292 psi63%2884 fps97.5%
Alliant Reloder-26ᴾ<<locked>>100%52,373 psi82%3176 fps99.9%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>84%57,319 psi90%3077 fps100%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>88%56,333 psi88%3051 fps100%
Bofors RP5ᴾ<<locked>>100%48,718 psi76%3038 fps96.4%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>92%55,753 psi87%3025 fps98.4%
Hodgdon Benchmark<<locked>>82%57,319 psi90%2979 fps100%
Hodgdon BL-C2<<locked>>82%55,970 psi88%3035 fps100%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>88%56,869 psi89%3068 fps99.9%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>94%57,159 psi90%3133 fps99.1%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>92%57,246 psi90%3091 fps98.1%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>82%54,389 psi85%3015 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>98%55,796 psi87%3054 fps100%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>84%54,331 psi85%3051 fps100%
Hodgdon Superformance<<locked>>94%57,740 psi90%3176 fps99%
Hodgdon TrailBossᴾ<<locked>>100%36,114 psi57%1883 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>84%55,463 psi87%3018 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>82%54,853 psi86%2995 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>86%54,462 psi85%2992 fps100%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>86%57,305 psi90%3025 fps99%
IMR 4350<<locked>>96%56,608 psi89%3061 fps98.6%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>92%57,667 psi90%3061 fps99%
IMR 4831<<locked>>96%55,274 psi87%3071 fps100%
IMR 4895<<locked>>86%57,305 psi90%3091 fps100%
IMR 4955 Enduronᴾ<<locked>>100%55,782 psi87%3041 fps95.8%
IMR 8208 XBR<<locked>>82%55,999 psi88%3002 fps100%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>84%57,696 psi90%3031 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>84%56,173 psi88%2979 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>86%54,418 psi85%2986 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>94%57,421 psi90%3051 fps99.7%
Lovex S070<<locked>>94%55,158 psi86%3038 fps98.9%
Lovex S071ᴾ<<locked>>100%40,509 psi63%2799 fps96.8%
Norma 201<<locked>>84%55,898 psi88%3002 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>84%56,565 psi89%2995 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>86%55,056 psi86%3045 fps100%
Norma 204<<locked>>96%57,566 psi90%3117 fps97.7%
Norma MRPᴾ<<locked>>100%51,517 psi81%3127 fps98.4%
Norma URP<<locked>>96%57,116 psi90%3117 fps100%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>86%55,825 psi87%3071 fps100%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>96%56,072 psi88%3120 fps99.5%
Ramshot TAC<<locked>>82%56,202 psi88%3031 fps99.6%
Ramshot Wild Boar<<locked>>82%56,188 psi88%3045 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 14ᴾ<<locked>>100%36,593 psi57%1926 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>88%56,869 psi89%3048 fps99.3%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>84%56,623 psi89%3130 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>90%56,492 psi89%3163 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>94%54,534 psi85%3100 fps99.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 70<<locked>>96%57,246 psi90%3192 fps100%
Rottweil R 901<<locked>>82%56,782 psi89%2976 fps100%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>86%56,608 psi89%2999 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>90%56,217 psi88%3045 fps100%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>98%54,375 psi85%3028 fps96.1%
Rottweil R 905ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,273 psi85%3087 fps97.6%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>92%55,753 psi87%3025 fps98.4%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>94%57,421 psi90%3051 fps99.7%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>84%57,696 psi90%3031 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>86%54,418 psi85%2986 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>94%55,158 psi86%3038 fps98.9%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>88%54,230 psi85%3051 fps100%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>82%54,940 psi86%3009 fps99.8%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>84%55,637 psi87%3028 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>84%56,898 psi89%2930 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>90%57,711 psi90%2927 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>94%57,624 psi90%3005 fps99%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000ᴾ<<locked>>100%53,766 psi84%3081 fps97.4%
Somchem S335<<locked>>84%56,521 psi89%2927 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>82%54,534 psi85%2992 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>90%56,347 psi88%3041 fps100%
Somchem S365<<locked>>98%55,970 psi88%3120 fps100%
Somchem S385ᴾ<<locked>>100%54,984 psi86%3061 fps98.3%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>84%57,319 psi90%2907 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>86%56,724 psi89%2956 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>86%57,319 psi90%2976 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>90%54,128 psi85%2963 fps100%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>94%55,927 psi88%3058 fps99.9%
Vihtavuori N165ᴾ<<locked>>100%47,282 psi74%2913 fps96.4%
Vihtavuori N530<<locked>>82%56,536 psi89%3005 fps100%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>86%55,390 psi87%2969 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>94%55,042 psi86%3064 fps99.9%
Vihtavuori N555ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,169 psi80%3061 fps100%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>94%55,724 psi87%3025 fps100%
Winchester 748<<locked>>82%56,942 psi89%3054 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>94%57,421 psi90%3136 fps99.1%
Winchester StaBALL HDᴾ<<locked>>100%41,336 psi65%3022 fps100%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>84%55,796 psi87%3038 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780ᴾ<<locked>>100%51,459 psi81%2992 fps96.7%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

Start Load - Barrel Length: 25.6"

PowderChargeFRMaxP%V(0)z
Accurate 2495<<locked>>80%47,543 psi75%2825 fps100%
Accurate 2700<<locked>>80%45,905 psi72%2812 fps96.2%
Accurate 3100<<locked>>92%37,028 psi58%2720 fps95.7%
Accurate 4064<<locked>>80%44,947 psi70%2828 fps100%
Accurate 4350<<locked>>80%33,649 psi53%2661 fps96.4%
Accurate High Country<<locked>>98%49,617 psi78%3091 fps95.4%
ADI AR 2206H<<locked>>80%50,401 psi79%2949 fps100%
ADI AR 2208<<locked>>80%42,946 psi67%2795 fps99.1%
ADI AR 2209<<locked>>94%46,064 psi72%2933 fps95.3%
ADI Benchmark 8208<<locked>>80%52,504 psi82%2949 fps100%
Alliant AR-Comp<<locked>>80%54,056 psi85%2923 fps100%
Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR<<locked>>80%46,717 psi73%3009 fps99.7%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>94%46,050 psi72%2933 fps95.4%
Alliant Power Pro Varmint<<locked>>94%46,050 psi72%2933 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder- TS 15.5<<locked>>80%43,047 psi67%2822 fps99.8%
Alliant Reloder-15<<locked>>80%46,006 psi72%2890 fps99.6%
Alliant Reloder-1668.1 gr80%33,402 psi52%2674 fps96.4%
Alliant Reloder-17<<locked>>80%37,608 psi59%2808 fps99.2%
Alliant Reloder-19<<locked>>94%45,513 psi71%2927 fps95.3%
Alliant Reloder-22<<locked>>98%45,527 psi71%2972 fps95.5%
Alliant Reloder-23<<locked>>84%27,572 psi43%2523 fps95.4%
Alliant Reloder-25<<locked>>96%35,505 psi56%2762 fps95.6%
Alliant Reloder-26<<locked>>88%33,895 psi53%2769 fps95.9%
Baschieri & Pellagri 107<<locked>>80%50,198 psi79%2966 fps99.7%
Bofors RP3<<locked>>80%43,120 psi68%2828 fps99.9%
Bofors RP5<<locked>>98%45,527 psi71%2972 fps95.5%
Bofors RP7<<locked>>82%40,872 psi64%2746 fps95.1%
Hodgdon Benchmark<<locked>>80%53,983 psi85%2930 fps100%
Hodgdon BL-C2<<locked>>80%52,214 psi82%2979 fps100%
Hodgdon H380<<locked>>80%43,743 psi69%2838 fps98.5%
Hodgdon H414<<locked>>82%38,406 psi60%2772 fps95%
Hodgdon H4350<<locked>>84%44,237 psi69%2854 fps95.3%
Hodgdon H4895<<locked>>80%50,966 psi80%2963 fps100%
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V<<locked>>80%30,937 psi48%2569 fps97.2%
Hodgdon LEVERevolution<<locked>>80%47,529 psi74%2940 fps100%
Hodgdon Superformance81.4 gr84%40,248 psi63%2841 fps95.1%
Hodgdon TrailBoss<<locked>>80%26,934 psi42%1686 fps100%
Hodgdon VARGET<<locked>>80%48,834 psi77%2910 fps100%
IMR 3031<<locked>>80%51,372 psi81%2946 fps100%
IMR 4064<<locked>>80%45,092 psi71%2831 fps99.5%
IMR 4166 Enduron<<locked>>80%47,413 psi74%2854 fps97.4%
IMR 4350<<locked>>86%41,350 psi65%2779 fps95.3%
IMR 4451 Enduron<<locked>>80%39,755 psi62%2723 fps95.2%
IMR 4831<<locked>>80%32,634 psi51%2615 fps96%
IMR 4895<<locked>>80%47,181 psi74%2920 fps99.9%
IMR 4955 Enduron<<locked>>98%52,286 psi82%2982 fps95%
IMR 8208 XBR<<locked>>80%52,504 psi82%2949 fps100%
Lovex D073.6<<locked>>80%50,502 psi79%2927 fps100%
Lovex S060<<locked>>80%49,719 psi78%2874 fps100%
Lovex S062<<locked>>80%45,179 psi71%2831 fps100%
Lovex S065<<locked>>80%37,246 psi58%2667 fps96.1%
Lovex S070<<locked>>82%37,797 psi59%2700 fps95%
Lovex S071<<locked>>96%35,563 psi56%2687 fps95.2%
Norma 201<<locked>>80%49,400 psi77%2897 fps100%
Norma 202<<locked>>80%49,951 psi78%2897 fps100%
Norma 203B<<locked>>80%45,382 psi71%2877 fps99.7%
Norma 204<<locked>>90%46,963 psi74%2930 fps95.5%
Norma MRP<<locked>>92%39,117 psi61%2864 fps95%
Norma URP<<locked>>80%33,852 psi53%2661 fps96.3%
Ramshot Big Game<<locked>>80%45,469 psi71%2897 fps99.7%
Ramshot Hunter<<locked>>84%37,492 psi59%2759 fps95.7%
Ramshot TAC<<locked>>80%52,576 psi82%2969 fps99.3%
Ramshot Wild Boar<<locked>>80%52,504 psi82%2989 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 14<<locked>>80%27,296 psi43%1722 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 50<<locked>>80%43,918 psi69%2818 fps97.2%
ReloadSwiss RS 52<<locked>>80%49,342 psi77%3009 fps99.8%
ReloadSwiss RS 60<<locked>>80%40,001 psi63%2871 fps100%
ReloadSwiss RS 62<<locked>>80%33,417 psi52%2674 fps95.9%
ReloadSwiss RS 7076.4 gr82%35,331 psi55%2743 fps95.9%
Rottweil R 901<<locked>>80%53,403 psi84%2927 fps100%
Rottweil R 902<<locked>>80%46,992 psi74%2844 fps100%
Rottweil R 903<<locked>>80%40,611 psi64%2772 fps99.5%
Rottweil R 904<<locked>>96%50,836 psi80%2966 fps95.3%
Rottweil R 905<<locked>>94%44,382 psi70%2907 fps95.2%
Rottweil R 907<<locked>>82%40,872 psi64%2746 fps95.1%
Shooters World Long Rifle<<locked>>80%37,246 psi58%2667 fps96.1%
Shooters World Match Rifle<<locked>>80%50,502 psi79%2927 fps100%
Shooters World Precision<<locked>>80%45,179 psi71%2831 fps100%
Shooters World SW4350<<locked>>82%37,797 psi59%2700 fps95%
SNPE Vectan SP 11<<locked>>80%41,568 psi65%2825 fps99.3%
SNPE Vectan SP 7<<locked>>80%51,227 psi80%2946 fps99.5%
SNPE Vectan SP 9<<locked>>80%48,950 psi77%2920 fps99.9%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 3000<<locked>>80%50,314 psi79%2831 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 5000<<locked>>80%42,308 psi66%2694 fps100%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 7000<<locked>>82%38,899 psi61%2664 fps95.2%
SNPE Vectan Tubal 8000<<locked>>94%43,990 psi69%2900 fps95.1%
Somchem S335<<locked>>80%50,082 psi78%2831 fps100%
Somchem S341<<locked>>80%51,082 psi80%2940 fps100%
Somchem S355<<locked>>80%41,104 psi64%2772 fps99.5%
Somchem S365<<locked>>80%30,400 psi48%2612 fps98.4%
Somchem S385<<locked>>92%42,235 psi66%2828 fps95.5%
Vihtavuori N133<<locked>>80%50,792 psi80%2818 fps100%
Vihtavuori N135<<locked>>80%46,934 psi74%2812 fps100%
Vihtavuori N140<<locked>>80%47,398 psi74%2828 fps100%
Vihtavuori N150<<locked>>80%39,218 psi61%2703 fps99.8%
Vihtavuori N160<<locked>>80%35,114 psi55%2661 fps96.7%
Vihtavuori N165<<locked>>98%44,324 psi69%2858 fps95.7%
Vihtavuori N530<<locked>>80%52,910 psi83%2949 fps100%
Vihtavuori N540<<locked>>80%45,774 psi72%2822 fps100%
Vihtavuori N550<<locked>>80%34,751 psi54%2664 fps96.3%
Vihtavuori N555<<locked>>84%30,052 psi47%2605 fps95.6%
Winchester 6.5 StaBALL<<locked>>80%34,693 psi54%2635 fps98.6%
Winchester 748<<locked>>80%53,301 psi84%2999 fps100%
Winchester 760<<locked>>82%38,406 psi60%2772 fps95%
Winchester StaBALL HD<<locked>>88%27,731 psi43%2612 fps96.3%
Winchester StaBALL Match<<locked>>80%48,762 psi76%2927 fps100%
Winchester Supreme 780<<locked>>96%44,744 psi70%2871 fps95%

Recommended = one of the top powders for this cartridge and bullet combination.

ᴾ possible press load - work up slowly to this load while watching for signs of excessive pressure.

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This overview compares 107 powders for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. loaded with the .338 | 191gr | TWENTY-NINE ERTP. Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR delivers the highest muzzle velocity at 3,196 fps; across all powders the maximum-charge window runs from 1,883 fps to 3,196 fps. Accurate 3100 gives the best case fill at 100 %, and 107 of the 107 powders fall inside the usable 80–100 % fill window.

Relative to the caliber's maximum pressure (440 MPa), the top charges use 57–90 %, leaving at least 10 % headroom. The 191.0 gr projectile in 0.338" calls for a 1:12.5 twist; slower twists will usually not stabilise this weight. Accurate 3100, Accurate High Country, ADI AR 2209 reach 100 % fill or more at maximum charge, so these are compressed loads: they need a long drop tube to seat cleanly and react sensitively to the case capacity of your own brass lot. ReloadSwiss RS 70, Alliant Reloder-16, Hodgdon Superformance rank at the top here: for 8.5 mm Messner Mag. with the .338 | 191gr | TWENTY-NINE ERTP they combine a high case fill with complete burn and sit in the upper velocity band. Always begin at the start load and work up in small increments while checking case and primer for pressure signs.

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